The Dark Knight (Batman Begins 2) Discussion - Part 2
06-27-08, 06:50 PM
#651
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Originally Posted by LivingINClip
I have to disagree. Yeah, Batman is more dark in it's content, but the hype is carrying over to everything. The fact that theaters are having to have 3:00 am showings due to midnight sale outs, makes me think, that as long as opening night word of mouth is great - then the masses will flock out to see it. I know people who have never seen or even thought about seeing a midnight showing, but they've already bought tickets for 'The Dark Knight'.
Multiple theaters carrying the film here are going to be showing it on multiple screens at midnight. I wouldn't be shocked if some theaters play the film non-stop throughout the weekend (like when I caught Spider-man 3 at 6:30am on a Friday morning).
06-27-08, 10:34 PM
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Early buzz appears that Ledger is a likely Oscar contender. Warner has stated if the reception is overwhelmingly positive for his performance they will campaign heavily for him. Apparently Johnny Depp opened the door for actors to be taken seriously in outlandish roles.
That's paraphrasing from an article I read. Go Heath Ledger!
That's paraphrasing from an article I read. Go Heath Ledger!
06-28-08, 12:27 AM
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I think this movie will kick major box office ass. I mean, I understand about being overly optimistic about a movie because I want it to do well but I really believe this will be the box office smash of the year. And I definately think it will kick the pants off of what Spidey 2 did. I know the movie is going to do well but I think it's going to do better than anyone's expectations.
Oh, enough of that...I want to see this movie. 3 years I've waited and now we're only 3 weeks away.
Oh, enough of that...I want to see this movie. 3 years I've waited and now we're only 3 weeks away.
06-28-08, 06:01 AM
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I honestly think the only other film I have ever anticipated this much was The Phantom Menace. I've been waiting for another Batman/Joker film since 1989. The fact that the material is being handled so well by Nolan is just icing on the cake.
06-28-08, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by RagingBull80
I think this movie will kick major box office ass. I mean, I understand about being overly optimistic about a movie because I want it to do well but I really believe this will be the box office smash of the year. And I definately think it will kick the pants off of what Spidey 2 did. I know the movie is going to do well but I think it's going to do better than anyone's expectations.
Oh, enough of that...I want to see this movie. 3 years I've waited and now we're only 3 weeks away.
Oh, enough of that...I want to see this movie. 3 years I've waited and now we're only 3 weeks away.
It opened on a Wednesday. 3-day opening weekend was $88 million. 5-day was $152 million.
US: $373 million
Foreign: $410 million
total: $783 million
So you're expecting The Dark Knight to get near $400 million in the US?
06-28-08, 08:09 AM
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I didn't realize that is how much Spiderman 2 made nor can I understand why it made so much. I know it's personal opinion, but I felt the first was terrible and it gave me no desire to see the second.
06-28-08, 10:58 AM
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And of course if The Dark Knight doesn't beat the box office takes of Spider-Man 2, 3, and anything else well, that means it just plain sucks right? Of course in this day and age, how much money a movie makes is the one and only way to determine its quality.
06-28-08, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by LivingINClip
I didn't realize that is how much Spiderman 2 made nor can I understand why it made so much. I know it's personal opinion, but I felt the first was terrible and it gave me no desire to see the second.
06-28-08, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema
Spider-man 2's box office take:
It opened on a Wednesday. 3-day opening weekend was $88 million. 5-day was $152 million.
US: $373 million
Foreign: $410 million
total: $783 million
So you're expecting The Dark Knight to get near $400 million in the US?
It opened on a Wednesday. 3-day opening weekend was $88 million. 5-day was $152 million.
US: $373 million
Foreign: $410 million
total: $783 million
So you're expecting The Dark Knight to get near $400 million in the US?
Mr. Cinema, how much did Spidey 3 make? I actually don't know and am curious.
06-28-08, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by RagingBull80
I was expecting The Dark Knight to do damn near twice as much as Batman Begins. What did Begins do, like $200 million or so? I'm not sure but I'm expecting it to do a lot more business than Begins did. But then again, you are Mr. Cinema and I could be completely wrong.
Mr. Cinema, how much did Spidey 3 make? I actually don't know and am curious.
Mr. Cinema, how much did Spidey 3 make? I actually don't know and am curious.
Domestic: $336,530,303
+ Foreign: $554,341,323
= Worldwide: $890,871,626
Batman Begins:
Domestic: $205,343,774
+ Foreign: $166,510,009
= Worldwide: $371,853,783
There's no way The Dark Knight will double the domestic box office of Batman Begins. Maybe $250 - $300 million, but it's not going to reach $400 million domestically.
06-28-08, 12:40 PM
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You have to remember, Batman Begins wasn't destined for a huge box office take due to the fact the American audience was turned off after the last major outing.
Batman Begins did gangbusters on DVD. Over $130 million in sales alone domestically, not counting rentals (that would probably bring that total close to $200 million).
I honestly see The Dark Knight making $300 million. I don't think it'll do much more than that, but it's got a lot of hype and probably the WOM to back it up. If any film in the month of July can do more than $100 million in it's opening weekend, this is the film that will do it.
EDIT: For comparison's sake, Spider-man 2 did over $160 million in sales alone domestically when it hit DVD. That number, not including rentals, is closer to $200 million with the 2.5 re-release and the Blu-ray edition.
Batman Begins did gangbusters on DVD. Over $130 million in sales alone domestically, not counting rentals (that would probably bring that total close to $200 million).
I honestly see The Dark Knight making $300 million. I don't think it'll do much more than that, but it's got a lot of hype and probably the WOM to back it up. If any film in the month of July can do more than $100 million in it's opening weekend, this is the film that will do it.
EDIT: For comparison's sake, Spider-man 2 did over $160 million in sales alone domestically when it hit DVD. That number, not including rentals, is closer to $200 million with the 2.5 re-release and the Blu-ray edition.
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06-28-08, 12:56 PM
#663
There's no way The Dark Knight beats Spider-Man 2 or 3. It's not a family movie you can take the kids to see.
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Originally Posted by msn.com
Heath Ledger delivers brilliantly as the Joker
June 27, 2008, 6:34 AM EST
The buzz over Heath Ledger's performance as the Joker in "The Dark Knight" for the last several months was justified. With his final full film role, Ledger delivers what may be remembered as the finest performance of his career.
A press screening of the "Batman Begins" sequel Thursday night had the audience cackling along with Ledger's Joker, a depraved creature utterly without conscience whom the late actor played with gleeful anarchy.
At times sounding like a cross between tough guy James Cagney in a gangster flick and Philip Seymour Hoffman's fastidious Truman Capote, Ledger elevates Batman's No. 1 nemesis to a place even Jack Nicholson did not take him in 1989's "Batman."
Nicholson's Joker was campy and clever. Ledger's Joker is an all-out terror, definitely funny but with a lunatic moral mission to drag all of Gotham, the city Batman thanklessly protects, down to his own dim assessment of humanity.
Spewing alternate personal histories for how he got the horrible scars on his face, the Joker hides behind distorted clown makeup that looks like a chalk drawing left out in the rain.
The Joker masterminds a series of escalating abductions, assassination attempts, murders and bombings, all aimed at calling out Batman (Christian Bale) and proving to the tormented vigilante hero that they are two sides of the same coin.
"You complete me," the Joker tells Batman, dementedly borrowing Tom Cruise's sappy romantic line from "Jerry Maguire."
Long before Ledger's death in January from an accidental prescription drug overdose, his collaborators on "The Dark Knight" had been describing his performance as a new high in the art of villainy for a comic-book adaptation.
Director Christopher Nolan, reuniting with "Batman Begins" star Bale, told The Associated Press earlier this year that Ledger came through with precisely what he had envisioned for this take on the Joker, "a young, anarchic presence, somebody who is genuinely threatening to the establishment."
"It was though they'd taken the Joker and all the colors, everything of it, and just kind of put him through a Turkish prison for a decade or so," Bale told the AP. "It's like he's gone through that personal hell to come out being this, if you can even call him mad, at the end here."
A best-actor Academy Award nominee for "Brokeback Mountain," Ledger has earned fresh Oscar buzz for "The Dark Knight," which could land him in the supporting-actor race.
Running just over two and a half hours, "The Dark Knight" is a true crime epic. Throughout, the Joker's bag of tricks is bottomless, twisted to the point of horror-flick sick.
"Some men aren't looking for anything logical," Michael Caine's butler Alfred tells Bruce, who's trying to decipher the Joker's motives. "Some men just want to watch the world burn."
Come July 18, when "The Dark Knight" lands in theaters, the world will be watching Ledger burn up the screen.
June 27, 2008, 6:34 AM EST
The buzz over Heath Ledger's performance as the Joker in "The Dark Knight" for the last several months was justified. With his final full film role, Ledger delivers what may be remembered as the finest performance of his career.
A press screening of the "Batman Begins" sequel Thursday night had the audience cackling along with Ledger's Joker, a depraved creature utterly without conscience whom the late actor played with gleeful anarchy.
At times sounding like a cross between tough guy James Cagney in a gangster flick and Philip Seymour Hoffman's fastidious Truman Capote, Ledger elevates Batman's No. 1 nemesis to a place even Jack Nicholson did not take him in 1989's "Batman."
Nicholson's Joker was campy and clever. Ledger's Joker is an all-out terror, definitely funny but with a lunatic moral mission to drag all of Gotham, the city Batman thanklessly protects, down to his own dim assessment of humanity.
Spewing alternate personal histories for how he got the horrible scars on his face, the Joker hides behind distorted clown makeup that looks like a chalk drawing left out in the rain.
The Joker masterminds a series of escalating abductions, assassination attempts, murders and bombings, all aimed at calling out Batman (Christian Bale) and proving to the tormented vigilante hero that they are two sides of the same coin.
"You complete me," the Joker tells Batman, dementedly borrowing Tom Cruise's sappy romantic line from "Jerry Maguire."
Long before Ledger's death in January from an accidental prescription drug overdose, his collaborators on "The Dark Knight" had been describing his performance as a new high in the art of villainy for a comic-book adaptation.
Director Christopher Nolan, reuniting with "Batman Begins" star Bale, told The Associated Press earlier this year that Ledger came through with precisely what he had envisioned for this take on the Joker, "a young, anarchic presence, somebody who is genuinely threatening to the establishment."
"It was though they'd taken the Joker and all the colors, everything of it, and just kind of put him through a Turkish prison for a decade or so," Bale told the AP. "It's like he's gone through that personal hell to come out being this, if you can even call him mad, at the end here."
A best-actor Academy Award nominee for "Brokeback Mountain," Ledger has earned fresh Oscar buzz for "The Dark Knight," which could land him in the supporting-actor race.
Running just over two and a half hours, "The Dark Knight" is a true crime epic. Throughout, the Joker's bag of tricks is bottomless, twisted to the point of horror-flick sick.
"Some men aren't looking for anything logical," Michael Caine's butler Alfred tells Bruce, who's trying to decipher the Joker's motives. "Some men just want to watch the world burn."
Come July 18, when "The Dark Knight" lands in theaters, the world will be watching Ledger burn up the screen.
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06-28-08, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt
There's no way The Dark Knight beats Spider-Man 2 or 3. It's not a family movie you can take the kids to see.
PG-13.
Everyone can buy tickets.
I also think a lot of people will be seeing this more than once.
06-28-08, 01:32 PM
#666
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Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt
It's not a family movie you can take the kids to see.
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06-28-08, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by stingermck
Like that stops a lot of parents. Remember a movie ticket is cheaper than a babysitter
06-28-08, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by LivingINClip
I am counting on seeing it at least three times, if it delivers. I saw Begins twice and have watched it countless times at home.
I saw Batman Begins twice in it's opening week plus a third right before it left theaters. Will probably do the same for The Dark Knight.
06-28-08, 03:51 PM
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06-28-08, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by LivingINClip
I didn't realize that is how much Spiderman 2 made nor can I understand why it made so much. I know it's personal opinion, but I felt the first was terrible and it gave me no desire to see the second.
In terms of franchises, I'd say we're in a Spidey 3/Pirates 2 scenario. The previous film in those franchises were well loved by audiences and they were more than happy to pay for another installment. I don't know if The Dark Knight will do as much as those films in their opening weekends ($140-150 million), but I think it'll be successful.
The darker tone could potentially harm TDK, but it doesn't hurt that it's supposed to be much better than Spidey 3 or Pirates 2 in terms of quality.
