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Old 11-28-14, 03:30 PM
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis

Originally Posted by Why So Blu?
Here's a cool article highlighting everything that's wrong with the lightsaber. The twitter pics are hilarious.

http://www.theverge.com/tldr/2014/11...ase-hire-me-jj
From the cool article:

"An enemy's energy blade would, in all likelihood, slice right through the base of the crossguard and end your lightsaber party pretty quickly."

How would an energy blade be able to slice through the crossguard if it's not able to slice through the lightsaber blade itself? Aren't they made from the same stuff?
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Originally Posted by CharlieK
How would an energy blade be able to slice through the crossguard if it's not able to slice through the lightsaber blade itself? Aren't they made from the same stuff?
You're misreading it. The crossguard itself is like a little mini-lightsaber but the base he's referring to is the part of the metal hilt. If you imagine them as like a V shape there is a huge design failure where the two meet in the middle.

There's basically a gap between the traditional lightsaber and the crossguard that would be a huge vulnerability in practical use.

But hey, it's just a Star War. Doesn't gotta make sense or nothin.

Makes you wonder if they have time to fix it if enough people complain. It would be an easy fix with CGI but it wouldn't surprise me if little kids were assembling the inevitable toys in a sweatshop right now so they're probably stuck with it.
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Originally Posted by Why So Blu?
Here's a cool article highlighting everything that's wrong with the lightsaber. The twitter pics are hilarious.

http://www.theverge.com/tldr/2014/11...ase-hire-me-jj
I love how his "better" design idea is to add a hand-guard to protect the holder from the light-blade, when that seems to be exactly what the existing hilt pieces are for. The light-blades likely emanate from the core of the handle also debunking the assertion that they are worthless as protection from an opponents lightsaber sliding down to the base.
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Originally Posted by Guru Askew
There's basically a gap between the traditional lightsaber and the crossguard that would be a huge vulnerability in practical use.
Why can't the light-blade emanate from the core of the handle and just be encompassed by the hilt-pieces that are there to protect the hands from the hilt light-blades?
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis

Originally Posted by slop101
Enough with Tatooine already!
An entire galaxy of endless possibilities... here's some more fucking sand.
Stupid, boring planet's already been in 5 of 6 SW movies (just so happens to be missing from the best one), and here it is again. yawn
There's a reason they're going there, you know. Someone is there they're looking for. Plus, it's a nice fit that the first films in each of the three trilogies will spend significant time on that planet.
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Originally Posted by Lara Means
It looks like 12 Years A Stormtrooper.
Old 11-28-14, 03:59 PM
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis

Originally Posted by Shannon Nutt
There's a reason they're going there, you know. Someone is there they're looking for. Plus, it's a nice fit that the first films in each of the three trilogies will spend significant time on that planet.
It's just been done entirely too many times already. There's no reason what they're looking for couldn't be on, say, Voss or Ord Mantell or whatever.
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Originally Posted by Bob_Bobbson
A gif of the unnamed Sith & lightsaber I found.

I'll call first...this is a female sith.
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Originally Posted by Hokeyboy
It's just been done entirely too many times already. There's no reason what they're looking for couldn't be on, say, Voss or Ord Mantell or whatever.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis

Originally Posted by Draven
I cannot believe that in 2014 we have a trailer for a new movie that shows the Falcon tearing over Tatooine with TIE Fighters shooting at it and people are saying "meh". The Internet is the worst
Might have something to do with the ridiculous hyperbole praising it. "I just wet myself!" "Better than anything in the PT!" One person is ready to give this guy:



one of these:


Based on some sweat and some heavy breathing. It's laughably absurd.
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What if the lightsaber was made from adamantium?



*runs from thread*
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Originally Posted by Guru Askew
That's just the thing: I think the exact opposite.

I think you could easily make the case that stuff like PT-era Tattooine and all the full-circle ANH fan service in ROTS was much more stylistically consistent.

The way I see it, the PT is inherently different. Everything about the story justifies the obvious aesthetic differences. The unofficial promise implied by the existence of this movie is that it is designed to embrace the OT and will intentionally match the aesthetic. And there's just so much in that trailer that feels "off" and incongruous when compared to the OT.

Star Wars is a big universe and there's room for a lot of different stories to be told in different styles in that universe, and I certainly don't have any substantial objections to Star Wars JJ Abrams style, but I don't care how you slice it, this thing has a different feel.

I compared it to a fan film but it also gives off an EU vibe. Like something created by somebody with a mandate to use certain iconography while still making it different. That droid is a perfect example. It's like "we came up with a new kind of droid but we put an R2 head on it so its Star Wars."
Whatever, dude....don't watch it, then. I don't give a shit. I just crack up when people over think things. It's a fucking trailer...Damn!
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I didn't overthink anything. Nor did I say I wouldn't watch it.

I fail to see how the things in this trailer that aren't actually from the OT (Falcon, X-Wings and TIEs) seem MORE like the OT than the PT stuff did.

This idea that JJ's Star Wars is inherently truer to the OT than Body Snatcher Lucas Clone's PT is familiar to me... oh yeah, that's right, it's because it's no different than the assumption that every nerd in the world made 15 years ago when they thought the creator of Star Wars would deliver 3 more Star Wars movies that all the fans would love.

Neither one of those attitudes is reasonable in the least.

But this idea that people wait to proclaim that non-Lucas Star Wars is better than Lucas Star Wars is fucking FASCINATING to me. First time I remember seeing it was when the 2D Clone Wars series debuted. I saw people saying the same shit: that a cartoon with a bunch of superpowered aliens and 1.5 lines of dialogue spread across an hour felt more like the OT than the prequels. And it happens with everything else. 3D Clone Wars series? Better than what Lucas did. Fan film? Better than what Lucas did. Comic books and novels and video games? Better, better and better.

And this thread is more of the same. I have ZERO problem with JJ Abrams. I'm a known Nolan hater but I challenge anyone to see me criticizing JJA. I use the same username everywhere, but you won't find it. I'm just realistic about this trailer. I figured they'd bring back all those ships. I knew the Star Wars theme would play. That's a given. That's like expecting the rock singer to say your town's name at your local concert. And it's not really any better or even as good as the OT stuff. Shakier, yes. But nothing groundbreaking.

I'm just at a loss as to how any of the new stuff looks better than the PT. Who DOESN'T want these movies to be better than the PT? I like the PT and if they make 3 movies that are better then why would anyone complain? But to not reasonable to let that desire to see better movies cloud your judgement to the point that you think this is more than it is.
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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
Might have something to do with the ridiculous hyperbole praising it. "I just wet myself!" "Better than anything in the PT!" One person is ready to give this guy:



one of these:


Based on some sweat and some heavy breathing. It's laughably absurd.
The only thing laughably absurd is your gross exaggeration of my initial reaction.

I'm assuming you saw those prequel things, right? I'm just happy to see a character in a Star Wars movie who looks like he's having a real emotional reaction to something. It's kind of a big deal considering the shit that came before.

But, I know you're here to make fun of people who are excited for this (the guy with the ducktales avatar and hyped up reaction for that terrible looking JP trailer), so by all means please continue posting the "we ain't found shit!" meme for the 1000th time. I'm sure that's not going to get old between now and next Dec.

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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis

Originally Posted by Guru Askew
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I'm just at a loss as to how any of the new stuff looks better than the PT. Who DOESN'T want these movies to be better than the PT? I like the PT and if they make 3 movies that are better then why would anyone complain? But to not reasonable to let that desire to see better movies cloud your judgement to the point that you think this is more than it is.
I'll explain why again:

1) Millennium Falcon
2) X-Wings
3) TIE Fighters.

Automatically better than the PT.
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Guys, no matter how you feel about the teaser, let's not be rude to each other.
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Now nerds want to rationalize that "they're friggin laser swords" but if it were any other franchise or non-franchise that did something like this those same mouth breathers would be scoffing and talking shit.
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If Star Wars is or ever was a hard sci-fi franchise I might be able muster up the outrage here.

It's not. It's space opera fantasy (and frequently banal space opera in the majority of it's installments).
I see it as simply a stylistic conceit, whose form over function retardation can be waved away with any manner of psuedo-sci-fi/fantasy bullshit.
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If Abrams fucks this up, he will be forever known as Jar Jar Abrams.
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If he is seriously concentrating on the three original cast characters, he's definitely digging himself a big hole that he's gonna realize the true size of once as he starts cutting the movie.
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Originally Posted by kefrank
The teaser is awesome. That X-Wing shot alone is better than anything in the entire prequel trilogy. I like that lightsaber and will like it even more if in context it turns out to be an ancient Sith relic.

All that said, I'm trying to keep my expectations tempered, because at the time I also thought the first trailer for The Phantom Menace was amazing.
My thoughts exactly. The lightsaber looks stupid though, at least from this shot.

Originally Posted by Why So Blu?
Here's a cool article highlighting everything that's wrong with the lightsaber. The twitter pics are hilarious.
I don't know why they need to make so many lightsaber variations. The more stylized they get the more dangerous they seem to be to the person wielding them.

Originally Posted by slop101
Enough with Tatooine already!
An entire galaxy of endless possibilities... here's some more fucking sand.
Stupid, boring planet's already been in 5 of 6 SW movies (just so happens to be missing from the best one), and here it is again. yawn
I thought the same thing, but the rest of the trailer after that scene was good.

Originally Posted by Guru Askew
I didn't overthink anything. Nor did I say I wouldn't watch it.



Neither one of those attitudes is reasonable in the least.

But this idea that people wait to proclaim that non-Lucas Star Wars is better than Lucas Star Wars is fucking FASCINATING to me.
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed has better acting/voice acting, visual design, story, and characters than the entire PT combined. Starkiller was what Anakin should have been like.

I'm just at a loss as to how any of the new stuff looks better than the PT. Who DOESN'T want these movies to be better than the PT? I like the PT and if they make 3 movies that are better then why would anyone complain? But to not reasonable to let that desire to see better movies cloud your judgement to the point that you think this is more than it is.
So far, the ships have a more grimy look to them, like they have been used and end up looking more realistic, not to mention a visual contiguity to what we saw in the OT. In the prequels everything looked brand new and shiny and 1) it made the idea that it was all CG that much more apparent and 2) it didn't look like it had any connection to what we previously saw. Lucas' explanation was that the prequels take place before the original trilogy, therefore the technology is newer in the PT. But that doesn't make any sense. Yeah, we see new cars in 2014, but we also see old cars on the road as well, and even new cars look worn in at times.
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Originally Posted by Guru Askew
I didn't overthink anything. Nor did I say I wouldn't watch it.

I fail to see how the things in this trailer that aren't actually from the OT (Falcon, X-Wings and TIEs) seem MORE like the OT than the PT stuff did.

This idea that JJ's Star Wars is inherently truer to the OT than Body Snatcher Lucas Clone's PT is familiar to me... oh yeah, that's right, it's because it's no different than the assumption that every nerd in the world made 15 years ago when they thought the creator of Star Wars would deliver 3 more Star Wars movies that all the fans would love.

Neither one of those attitudes is reasonable in the least.

But this idea that people wait to proclaim that non-Lucas Star Wars is better than Lucas Star Wars is fucking FASCINATING to me. First time I remember seeing it was when the 2D Clone Wars series debuted. I saw people saying the same shit: that a cartoon with a bunch of superpowered aliens and 1.5 lines of dialogue spread across an hour felt more like the OT than the prequels. And it happens with everything else. 3D Clone Wars series? Better than what Lucas did. Fan film? Better than what Lucas did. Comic books and novels and video games? Better, better and better.

And this thread is more of the same. I have ZERO problem with JJ Abrams. I'm a known Nolan hater but I challenge anyone to see me criticizing JJA. I use the same username everywhere, but you won't find it. I'm just realistic about this trailer. I figured they'd bring back all those ships. I knew the Star Wars theme would play. That's a given. That's like expecting the rock singer to say your town's name at your local concert. And it's not really any better or even as good as the OT stuff. Shakier, yes. But nothing groundbreaking.

I'm just at a loss as to how any of the new stuff looks better than the PT. Who DOESN'T want these movies to be better than the PT? I like the PT and if they make 3 movies that are better then why would anyone complain? But to not reasonable to let that desire to see better movies cloud your judgement to the point that you think this is more than it is.
Again I say...its a fuckin trailer. I liked it and that`s it.....not gonna argue with you or write some long winded diatribe. If you think it sucks thats on you. Again, you are cracking me up. You can keep going if you want.
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Wow, people are reading way too much into this shit. It's a teaser. For a movie. Lol. I am the biggest SW geek around, and don't nerdgasim like this.
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Originally Posted by Chrisedge
Wow, people are reading way too much into this shit. It's a teaser. For a movie. Lol. I am the biggest SW geek around, and don't nerdgasim like this.
Then that means the teaser did its job in getting people to talk about the upcoming movie.
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Originally Posted by DaveyJoe
The long sword light saber is interesting, but wasn't Star Wars heavily influenced by Samurai films, specifically Kurosawa's The Hidden Fortress? I always thought light sabers were supposed to be futuristic katana.
Pretty much. I was expecting the older blades to more closely resemble the cool black blades from Clone Wars. We don't know anything about that blade though. It could be a one-off carried by a single Sith centuries earlier. Who knows.

I do wonder if that blade can redirect all of the beams during combat. Say the Sith gets caught up close with a Jedi, they could redirect some of the beam through the hilt and stab someone with a second normal sized light beam.


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