Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fisher
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Here's a cool article highlighting everything that's wrong with the lightsaber. The twitter pics are hilarious.
http://www.theverge.com/tldr/2014/11...ase-hire-me-jj
http://www.theverge.com/tldr/2014/11...ase-hire-me-jj
"An enemy's energy blade would, in all likelihood, slice right through the base of the crossguard and end your lightsaber party pretty quickly."
How would an energy blade be able to slice through the crossguard if it's not able to slice through the lightsaber blade itself? Aren't they made from the same stuff?
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There's basically a gap between the traditional lightsaber and the crossguard that would be a huge vulnerability in practical use.
But hey, it's just a Star War. Doesn't gotta make sense or nothin.
Makes you wonder if they have time to fix it if enough people complain. It would be an easy fix with CGI but it wouldn't surprise me if little kids were assembling the inevitable toys in a sweatshop right now so they're probably stuck with it.
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Here's a cool article highlighting everything that's wrong with the lightsaber. The twitter pics are hilarious.
http://www.theverge.com/tldr/2014/11...ase-hire-me-jj
http://www.theverge.com/tldr/2014/11...ase-hire-me-jj
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Why can't the light-blade emanate from the core of the handle and just be encompassed by the hilt-pieces that are there to protect the hands from the hilt light-blades?
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There's a reason they're going there, you know. Someone is there they're looking for. Plus, it's a nice fit that the first films in each of the three trilogies will spend significant time on that planet.
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It's just been done entirely too many times already. There's no reason what they're looking for couldn't be on, say, Voss or Ord Mantell or whatever.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015, D: Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fis
What if the lightsaber was made from adamantium?
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That's just the thing: I think the exact opposite.
I think you could easily make the case that stuff like PT-era Tattooine and all the full-circle ANH fan service in ROTS was much more stylistically consistent.
The way I see it, the PT is inherently different. Everything about the story justifies the obvious aesthetic differences. The unofficial promise implied by the existence of this movie is that it is designed to embrace the OT and will intentionally match the aesthetic. And there's just so much in that trailer that feels "off" and incongruous when compared to the OT.
Star Wars is a big universe and there's room for a lot of different stories to be told in different styles in that universe, and I certainly don't have any substantial objections to Star Wars JJ Abrams style, but I don't care how you slice it, this thing has a different feel.
I compared it to a fan film but it also gives off an EU vibe. Like something created by somebody with a mandate to use certain iconography while still making it different. That droid is a perfect example. It's like "we came up with a new kind of droid but we put an R2 head on it so its Star Wars."
I think you could easily make the case that stuff like PT-era Tattooine and all the full-circle ANH fan service in ROTS was much more stylistically consistent.
The way I see it, the PT is inherently different. Everything about the story justifies the obvious aesthetic differences. The unofficial promise implied by the existence of this movie is that it is designed to embrace the OT and will intentionally match the aesthetic. And there's just so much in that trailer that feels "off" and incongruous when compared to the OT.
Star Wars is a big universe and there's room for a lot of different stories to be told in different styles in that universe, and I certainly don't have any substantial objections to Star Wars JJ Abrams style, but I don't care how you slice it, this thing has a different feel.
I compared it to a fan film but it also gives off an EU vibe. Like something created by somebody with a mandate to use certain iconography while still making it different. That droid is a perfect example. It's like "we came up with a new kind of droid but we put an R2 head on it so its Star Wars."
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I didn't overthink anything. Nor did I say I wouldn't watch it.
I fail to see how the things in this trailer that aren't actually from the OT (Falcon, X-Wings and TIEs) seem MORE like the OT than the PT stuff did.
This idea that JJ's Star Wars is inherently truer to the OT than Body Snatcher Lucas Clone's PT is familiar to me... oh yeah, that's right, it's because it's no different than the assumption that every nerd in the world made 15 years ago when they thought the creator of Star Wars would deliver 3 more Star Wars movies that all the fans would love.
Neither one of those attitudes is reasonable in the least.
But this idea that people wait to proclaim that non-Lucas Star Wars is better than Lucas Star Wars is fucking FASCINATING to me. First time I remember seeing it was when the 2D Clone Wars series debuted. I saw people saying the same shit: that a cartoon with a bunch of superpowered aliens and 1.5 lines of dialogue spread across an hour felt more like the OT than the prequels. And it happens with everything else. 3D Clone Wars series? Better than what Lucas did. Fan film? Better than what Lucas did. Comic books and novels and video games? Better, better and better.
And this thread is more of the same. I have ZERO problem with JJ Abrams. I'm a known Nolan hater but I challenge anyone to see me criticizing JJA. I use the same username everywhere, but you won't find it. I'm just realistic about this trailer. I figured they'd bring back all those ships. I knew the Star Wars theme would play. That's a given. That's like expecting the rock singer to say your town's name at your local concert. And it's not really any better or even as good as the OT stuff. Shakier, yes. But nothing groundbreaking.
I'm just at a loss as to how any of the new stuff looks better than the PT. Who DOESN'T want these movies to be better than the PT? I like the PT and if they make 3 movies that are better then why would anyone complain? But to not reasonable to let that desire to see better movies cloud your judgement to the point that you think this is more than it is.
I fail to see how the things in this trailer that aren't actually from the OT (Falcon, X-Wings and TIEs) seem MORE like the OT than the PT stuff did.
This idea that JJ's Star Wars is inherently truer to the OT than Body Snatcher Lucas Clone's PT is familiar to me... oh yeah, that's right, it's because it's no different than the assumption that every nerd in the world made 15 years ago when they thought the creator of Star Wars would deliver 3 more Star Wars movies that all the fans would love.
Neither one of those attitudes is reasonable in the least.
But this idea that people wait to proclaim that non-Lucas Star Wars is better than Lucas Star Wars is fucking FASCINATING to me. First time I remember seeing it was when the 2D Clone Wars series debuted. I saw people saying the same shit: that a cartoon with a bunch of superpowered aliens and 1.5 lines of dialogue spread across an hour felt more like the OT than the prequels. And it happens with everything else. 3D Clone Wars series? Better than what Lucas did. Fan film? Better than what Lucas did. Comic books and novels and video games? Better, better and better.
And this thread is more of the same. I have ZERO problem with JJ Abrams. I'm a known Nolan hater but I challenge anyone to see me criticizing JJA. I use the same username everywhere, but you won't find it. I'm just realistic about this trailer. I figured they'd bring back all those ships. I knew the Star Wars theme would play. That's a given. That's like expecting the rock singer to say your town's name at your local concert. And it's not really any better or even as good as the OT stuff. Shakier, yes. But nothing groundbreaking.
I'm just at a loss as to how any of the new stuff looks better than the PT. Who DOESN'T want these movies to be better than the PT? I like the PT and if they make 3 movies that are better then why would anyone complain? But to not reasonable to let that desire to see better movies cloud your judgement to the point that you think this is more than it is.
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I'm assuming you saw those prequel things, right? I'm just happy to see a character in a Star Wars movie who looks like he's having a real emotional reaction to something. It's kind of a big deal considering the shit that came before.
But, I know you're here to make fun of people who are excited for this (the guy with the ducktales avatar and hyped up reaction for that terrible looking JP trailer), so by all means please continue posting the "we ain't found shit!" meme for the 1000th time. I'm sure that's not going to get old between now and next Dec.
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I'm just at a loss as to how any of the new stuff looks better than the PT. Who DOESN'T want these movies to be better than the PT? I like the PT and if they make 3 movies that are better then why would anyone complain? But to not reasonable to let that desire to see better movies cloud your judgement to the point that you think this is more than it is.
I'm just at a loss as to how any of the new stuff looks better than the PT. Who DOESN'T want these movies to be better than the PT? I like the PT and if they make 3 movies that are better then why would anyone complain? But to not reasonable to let that desire to see better movies cloud your judgement to the point that you think this is more than it is.
1) Millennium Falcon
2) X-Wings
3) TIE Fighters.
Automatically better than the PT.
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Guys, no matter how you feel about the teaser, let's not be rude to each other.
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Now nerds want to rationalize that "they're friggin laser swords" but if it were any other franchise or non-franchise that did something like this those same mouth breathers would be scoffing and talking shit.
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If Star Wars is or ever was a hard sci-fi franchise I might be able muster up the outrage here.
It's not. It's space opera fantasy (and frequently banal space opera in the majority of it's installments).
I see it as simply a stylistic conceit, whose form over function retardation can be waved away with any manner of psuedo-sci-fi/fantasy bullshit.
It's not. It's space opera fantasy (and frequently banal space opera in the majority of it's installments).
I see it as simply a stylistic conceit, whose form over function retardation can be waved away with any manner of psuedo-sci-fi/fantasy bullshit.
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If Abrams fucks this up, he will be forever known as Jar Jar Abrams.
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If he is seriously concentrating on the three original cast characters, he's definitely digging himself a big hole that he's gonna realize the true size of once as he starts cutting the movie.
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The teaser is awesome. That X-Wing shot alone is better than anything in the entire prequel trilogy. I like that lightsaber and will like it even more if in context it turns out to be an ancient Sith relic.
All that said, I'm trying to keep my expectations tempered, because at the time I also thought the first trailer for The Phantom Menace was amazing.
All that said, I'm trying to keep my expectations tempered, because at the time I also thought the first trailer for The Phantom Menace was amazing.
I'm just at a loss as to how any of the new stuff looks better than the PT. Who DOESN'T want these movies to be better than the PT? I like the PT and if they make 3 movies that are better then why would anyone complain? But to not reasonable to let that desire to see better movies cloud your judgement to the point that you think this is more than it is.
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I didn't overthink anything. Nor did I say I wouldn't watch it.
I fail to see how the things in this trailer that aren't actually from the OT (Falcon, X-Wings and TIEs) seem MORE like the OT than the PT stuff did.
This idea that JJ's Star Wars is inherently truer to the OT than Body Snatcher Lucas Clone's PT is familiar to me... oh yeah, that's right, it's because it's no different than the assumption that every nerd in the world made 15 years ago when they thought the creator of Star Wars would deliver 3 more Star Wars movies that all the fans would love.
Neither one of those attitudes is reasonable in the least.
But this idea that people wait to proclaim that non-Lucas Star Wars is better than Lucas Star Wars is fucking FASCINATING to me. First time I remember seeing it was when the 2D Clone Wars series debuted. I saw people saying the same shit: that a cartoon with a bunch of superpowered aliens and 1.5 lines of dialogue spread across an hour felt more like the OT than the prequels. And it happens with everything else. 3D Clone Wars series? Better than what Lucas did. Fan film? Better than what Lucas did. Comic books and novels and video games? Better, better and better.
And this thread is more of the same. I have ZERO problem with JJ Abrams. I'm a known Nolan hater but I challenge anyone to see me criticizing JJA. I use the same username everywhere, but you won't find it. I'm just realistic about this trailer. I figured they'd bring back all those ships. I knew the Star Wars theme would play. That's a given. That's like expecting the rock singer to say your town's name at your local concert. And it's not really any better or even as good as the OT stuff. Shakier, yes. But nothing groundbreaking.
I'm just at a loss as to how any of the new stuff looks better than the PT. Who DOESN'T want these movies to be better than the PT? I like the PT and if they make 3 movies that are better then why would anyone complain? But to not reasonable to let that desire to see better movies cloud your judgement to the point that you think this is more than it is.
I fail to see how the things in this trailer that aren't actually from the OT (Falcon, X-Wings and TIEs) seem MORE like the OT than the PT stuff did.
This idea that JJ's Star Wars is inherently truer to the OT than Body Snatcher Lucas Clone's PT is familiar to me... oh yeah, that's right, it's because it's no different than the assumption that every nerd in the world made 15 years ago when they thought the creator of Star Wars would deliver 3 more Star Wars movies that all the fans would love.
Neither one of those attitudes is reasonable in the least.
But this idea that people wait to proclaim that non-Lucas Star Wars is better than Lucas Star Wars is fucking FASCINATING to me. First time I remember seeing it was when the 2D Clone Wars series debuted. I saw people saying the same shit: that a cartoon with a bunch of superpowered aliens and 1.5 lines of dialogue spread across an hour felt more like the OT than the prequels. And it happens with everything else. 3D Clone Wars series? Better than what Lucas did. Fan film? Better than what Lucas did. Comic books and novels and video games? Better, better and better.
And this thread is more of the same. I have ZERO problem with JJ Abrams. I'm a known Nolan hater but I challenge anyone to see me criticizing JJA. I use the same username everywhere, but you won't find it. I'm just realistic about this trailer. I figured they'd bring back all those ships. I knew the Star Wars theme would play. That's a given. That's like expecting the rock singer to say your town's name at your local concert. And it's not really any better or even as good as the OT stuff. Shakier, yes. But nothing groundbreaking.
I'm just at a loss as to how any of the new stuff looks better than the PT. Who DOESN'T want these movies to be better than the PT? I like the PT and if they make 3 movies that are better then why would anyone complain? But to not reasonable to let that desire to see better movies cloud your judgement to the point that you think this is more than it is.
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Wow, people are reading way too much into this shit. It's a teaser. For a movie. Lol. I am the biggest SW geek around, and don't nerdgasim like this.
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I do wonder if that blade can redirect all of the beams during combat. Say the Sith gets caught up close with a Jedi, they could redirect some of the beam through the hilt and stab someone with a second normal sized light beam.