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Old 04-18-15, 04:14 PM
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens (12/18/2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fi

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Maybe I'm just nit-picking, but it doesn't have to be limited to earth terrain. Who says the grass has to be green and the sky blue?

Something tropical or jungle-like might be cool.
I mentioned Dagobah as the jungle planet.

Although Tattoine has already done the twin sun thing, I guess something like a "red planet" like Mars would be possible.
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens (12/18/2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fi

Originally Posted by joe_b
Maybe I'm just nit-picking, but it doesn't have to be limited to earth terrain. Who says the grass has to be green and the sky blue? .
Totally hear what you're saying on different colors, etc. Don't see why that's not been done - maybe cause star wars has always had more recognizable terrain. Purple grass and weird stuff is more the realm of star trek?
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens (12/18/2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fi

didn't the cartoons have much more wild and exotic terrain?
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens (12/18/2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fi

Originally Posted by kgrogers1979
I mentioned Dagobah as the jungle planet.
More of a bog/swamp.
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens (12/18/2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fi

One thing we haven't seen too much of so far are new aliens/creatures. I know the prequels went way overboard with goofy CGI aliens and not enough normal people you could relate to, but I still hope we get some cool aliens in these things. Hopefully with more of an imaginative cool/scary factor and less of the goofy stuff to appeal to 5 year olds.

And animatronic. We could do awesome things with Harry and the Hendersons almost 30 years ago, so lets see some of that. If they can make BB8 work, anything is possible.
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens (12/18/2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fi

Man, I really, REALLY hope this ends up being the title-crawl:

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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens (12/18/2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fi

Originally Posted by kgrogers1979
What terrains haven't been used to make a planet we haven't seen?

Desert (Tattoine)
Snow (Hoth)
Jungle (Dagobah)
Forest (Endor)
Gaseous (Bespin)
Water (Kamino)
Volcanic (Mustafar)
Industrial (Coruscant)

Really what else is there that we haven't already seen? Mountainous? That's all I can think of.
Naboo was sort of mountainy, wasn't it?

I was thinking about this not too long ago, and it occurred to me that the planets in the OT were sort of supposed to correspond with a sort of golden age of science fiction conception of our solar system -- Tattooine = Mercury, Dagobah = Venus, Bespin= Jupiter, Hoth = Pluto.
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Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
Naboo was sort of mountainy, wasn't it?
I always took Naboo as being like Earth with a wide variety of terrain.
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens (12/18/2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fi

what about that weird planet where the clones attacked that Twilek Jedi? that was pretty wild, IIRC.
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens (12/18/2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fi

^ That planet (Felucia) looked really fake in the movie... like something from Burton's Alice in Wonderland. Surprisingly, it wasn't entirely done in CG.



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Abrams should have his design department go totally nuts and make a completely alien world that doesn't look like anything. Who is working designs on this? I assume Neville Page is working on some more creatures? Ralph McQuarrie is obviously out , any word on who's working designs for this? I guess you could go with some old sci-fi standbys like an underground or underwater society, or do a nutso Jack Kirby cosmic thing, though I don't think Abrams has that much visual flair.
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens (12/18/2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fi

I forget where I read it, but someone was talking about how even in sci fi, some things stay "normal" for the audience to feel comfortable (a sentiment that extends way beyond just sci fi). Audiences get weirded out by weird shit like a green sky if it's in the movie for too long. Plus going nuts with the colors just for the sake of it isn't really the key to creating an interesting new world.
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens (12/18/2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fi

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I guess you could go with some old sci-fi standbys like an underground or underwater society
Gungans were an underwater society. Utapau (Ep. III) was sort of an underground society.
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens (12/18/2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fi

Originally Posted by hanshotfirst1138
Abrams should have his design department go totally nuts and make a completely alien world that doesn't look like anything. Who is working designs on this? I assume Neville Page is working on some more creatures? Ralph McQuarrie is obviously out , any word on who's working designs for this? I guess you could go with some old sci-fi standbys like an underground or underwater society, or do a nutso Jack Kirby cosmic thing, though I don't think Abrams has that much visual flair.
Bad idea. The beauty of the OT is that it uses real practical naturally occurring environments. That's what gave it the documentary feel that made it so great. Star Wars wanted to be the opposite of Fantastic Planet and Star Trek.
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens (12/18/2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fi

That's the first time I've ever heard Star Wars described as having a documentary feel.
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens (12/18/2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fi

I didn't know the OT had William Friedkin there for that documentary feel.
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens (12/18/2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fi

They should do a crossover between Star Wars and The Office since they both have a documentary feel.
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens (12/18/2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fi

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Whelp, there's the proof that Mark Hamill wasn't talking crazy when he was saying BB-8 was driving all over the set. I can't wrap my brain around how that thing works but it's super impressive.
Looks like a giant Sphero with a magnetic top. It's actually a feasable cellphone controlled item for the rich (the ones my friends have are all still like $130 and they're TINY.)


Originally Posted by Mabuse
Bad idea. The beauty of the OT is that it uses real practical naturally occurring environments. That's what gave it the documentary feel that made it so great. Star Wars wanted to be the opposite of Fantastic Planet and Star Trek.
Disagree it felt at all like a documentary, like 0%, but agree that the OT had a certain authenticity to its locales, something completely eradicated in the PT.
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens (12/18/2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fi

DISTRICT 9 had a documentary feel, not STAR WARS.
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens (12/18/2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fi

He probably heard George Lucas say that in some interview somewhere. Lucas is always saying stupid shit like that.
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens (12/18/2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fi

Originally Posted by kgrogers1979
They should do a crossover between Star Wars and The Office since they both have a documentary feel.
Your comment reminded me of this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvsw...C62E248AB4957E

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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens (12/18/2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fi

I don't know where to begin with you guys. The verite, immediate, documentary style of Star Wars is fundamental to its execution and why it wowed audiences in 1977. Compare it to the formalism of Fantastic Planet or 2001:ASO. The way the script and editing elides material, the way the story begins in medias res, the decision by the filmmaker to construct an elaborate fantasy set or location and then shoot tight set ups that don't show off the expensive "toys". Lucas clashed with the director of photography and executives endlessly regarding coverage of the sets.

Friedken is a good comparison. Lucas shot his scifi flick like it was the French Connection. You are all so accustomed to this now that you don't notice it.
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens (12/18/2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fi

I wouldn't say that Star Wars had a documentary feel, but Star Wars definitely was a break from most sci-fi by showing a lived-in universe that was imperfect, had technology that was still troublesome, things worn out, frayed around the edges, etc.

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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens (12/18/2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fi

Originally Posted by Mabuse
I don't know where to begin with you guys. The verite, immediate, documentary style of Star Wars is fundamental to its execution and why it wowed audiences in 1977. Compare it to the formalism of Fantastic Planet or 2001:ASO. The way the script and editing elides material, the way the story begins in medias res, the decision by the filmmaker to construct an elaborate fantasy set or location and then shoot tight set ups that don't show off the expensive "toys". Lucas clashed with the director of photography and executives endlessly regarding coverage of the sets.

Friedken is a good comparison. Lucas shot his scifi flick like it was the French Connection. You are all so accustomed to this now that you don't notice it.
Absolutely.
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Re: Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens (12/18/2015, Abrams) S: Hamill, Ford, Fi

Documentary is just the wrong term for it is all, nobody's disagreeing that it's notably different than most Sci-fi of the era. And it's something sorely missing in the PT.


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