Deftones

Most of that info sounds terrible.

anomynous

Bryan Cranston for Luthor.




or Michael Rosenbaum

Mike86

I kind of wish Bruce wasn't involved in a relationship in the film. He tends to work best as the loner character I think. Seems like an unnecessary side story to me especially when we already have one relationship most likely in the film (Lois and Clark). Also not that I really care what ethnicity she is but I don't see why they're so dead set on an African-American actress to play his girlfriend, just pick the best actress for the job. If they're really insistent on having Barry and Diana in the film hopefully it's just quick cameos that basically introduce the characters and somewhat set up their solo films.

Dragon Tattoo

Sounds like someone hasn't heard of Jezebel Jet. She's a pretty pivotal love interest for Bruce.



Also, Batman hasn't been a "loner" for like 30 years.

Hokeyboy

It already sounds worse than Green Lantern and Jonah Hex combined. I believe EVERYTHING!!!1

Mike86

I have heard of Jezebel Jet, I just don't see why it necessarily has to be her.

As far as the Bruce not being a loner thing it's simply my opinion that he's better off that way. I understand that the studio feels the modern audience needs to have something like a relationship thrown in so the characters seem more relate-able or something though so whatever.

RocShemp

Why? Isn't that what we all basically said we wanted in the other MoS thread? Lex beloved by Metropolis and him making Superman out to be a dangerous threat seem like perfect progression from the events of MoS.

They could always kill her off, like was to happen back in the draft Tom Mankiewicz wrote (before the Burton movie was made). In it Bruce Wayne's love interest was Silver St. Cloud and at the end of the script the Joker killed her.

Given Bruce is meant to be weary in this movie, perhaps he's pondering retirement and is looking to settle down. They either kill off his love interest (admittedly cliché) or he breaks off the relationship because he realizes he must continue being Batman at the expense of all esle in his life (ditto). Heck, in one of the comic storylines she broke up with Bruce because she couldn't handle worrying about him every night. Which is basically what Nolan tried with Rachel at the end of BB (although they handled that by saying that she felt Gotham needed Batman and that's why she couldn't be with Bruce).

redrum

Lol nothing about that info was terrible, didn't really tell us anything and is most likely not even true

taffer

Ugh. No just no.

All of the Robins are very awesome characters. People that think otherwise generally still think of Robin as being like Burt Ward from the 60s TV show. Robin hasn't been like that in forever, just like Batman hasn't been like Adam West in forever.

Plus, all of Batman's other supporting characters like Alfred, James Gordon, Barbara Gordon, Cassandra Cain, Stephanie Brown, etc are also great. Those last two characters were retconned out of existence with the New 52, and that has pissed off many many readers.

Have you played Arkham Origins? A recurring theme in that game is that Batman needs allies. He definitely is not best as a loner.

I love this artwork of the Robins:

james2025a

So if that rumor about the characteristics of Lex for this movie are correct, then they are basically making him Norman Osborn from the Spidey movies. I don't get why they keep on going back to the Lex well every time for these villain outings? Imagine seeing every Batman movie with the Joker as the villain. Ok, it will have its moments, but after a while it becomes dull. He has more bads guys that are good to go with. Have him as a secondary villain and slowly re-introduce the character. After Man of Steel they have a good opportunity here to introduce Brainiac. As DC/WB seems to be trying to copy Marvel and their movies then this would be their competition against Ultron in the Avengers sequel. Needless to say that at the moment, the more i read about this movie the less interested i am becoming. I do think that Cavill makes a good Superman and i think Affleck will make an interesting Batman.

Deftones

I'm fine w/ the Lex Luthor stuff. it is the stuff about Bruce having a love interest. I mean, if you wanted to go that route, just make another Batman movie. This needs to be about Batman and Superman dealing with a threat. I don't need a love story angle shoehorned into this movie. It is already getting crowded.

taffer

Three Arkham video games and Joker was the primary villain in all three...

fujishig

Nothing like a good fridging to give transparent motivation to a comic book superhero.

As far as Batman working alone: he's already working with (well, by the end of the movie) Superman. I love Grayson and Drake and the rest of the Bat family, but they haven't exactly translated well to movies, much less an already crowded one.

Look at Superman's rogues gallery. Now take out all the interplanetary/high powered ones that Batman would be all but useless against, and the ones you'd want to be in a Superman movie without Batman (so no Doomsday, Mongul, Bizzaro, Braniac). What do you have left besides Luthor? Toyman?

Batman's always had a more colorful rogues gallery. Heck, Flash has more recognizable villains.

EddieMoney

A perfect progression would be a three hour film of clean up crews in Metropolis and people burying their crushed, mangled loved ones.

taffer

Mxyzptlk and Bat-Mite

But seriously though, Metallo would work.

Intergang would work too, and that could even be used to set up Apokolips and Darkseid for the Justice League movie.

Mike86

I kind of misstated what I meant, I think that Bruce in his personal life tends to be better without a romantic interest. So he's kind of a loner in that way in that he can't really be with someone he loves unless they're an ally in crime fighting.

Plus I do like the various Robins, Batgirls, and etc. but I guess a lot of my favorite Batman moments happened when he was alone. I like him having allies that help him but that don't directly work with him like Alfred and Gordon. Plus where are you coming up with this thought that Batman and Robin aren't like the 66 series? I'm well aware of that , I guess for me when it comes to Robin or Nightwing I'd be okay with them coming into the picture but at a later time.

RocShemp

Which is why I mentioned they could always have the love interest dump him. It's happened in the comics and even happened in the Nolan movies.

And let's face it, the death of loved ones is a character motivation that's often used because it works. That a few people bitch because it happens mostly to female characters is irrelevant since most protagonists are male. However, when the protagonist is female, her male love interest usually dies. Look at the TV show Alias or the movie Salt as examples.

And in comics Peter Parker was motivated by the death of Uncle Ben. Bruce Wayne was traumatized by the death of both his parents. Et cetera.

I'm really sick of people complaining about a character's death simply because the character is female. The death of loved ones is the actual cliché. That the loved one is male or female doesn't matter. It just matters that it's someone the protagonist loves. And since usually most protagonists are male and heterosexual, the dead loved one tends to be a female spouse.

The Valeyard

Sold! I think we got a movie!

Solid Snake

To an extent I agree.

My issue with the cliche deaths is that they are not well done at times. TDK's death came unexpected and I liked that. The aftermath of it was a bit muggy though.

MrSmearkase

I would watch the shit of this

Solid Snake

Well who are the top midgets? Dinklage and willow right?

RocShemp

Oh, it's undeniably cliché. What irks me is that over the years people have tried to paint the cliché as an anti-female conspiracy. The reality is if women comprised the majority of protagonists, you'd see more male characters that exist only to die in some tragic backstory/motivation for the female lead. (Or if said female leads were all lesbians, you'd still have the same amount of dead female love interests.)

Maxflier

Shondra Kinsolving perhaps?

RocShemp

Wow, I almost forgot about her. The last I remember her was when she helped Bruce's rehabilitation and her brother messed her up so bad that she ended up with the mind of a child. Did she ever recover? Or was she another character erased from existence in the New 52?

Maxflier

Not sure what ever happened to her. She only sprang to mind because I remembered her from Knightfall.