RocShemp

It seems DC is in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario. Honestly, I think adding a Flash or Wonder Woman cameo is fine as long as it's basically an easter egg. For all you know, they only appear in footage shown on the Batcomputer. Are you gonna complain about such an approach to the cameos as well? Because if Batman is in this and already at it for several years, you can bet he's got surveilance on any number of other costumed heroes and/or metahumans.

I ask because it seems as if you want them to imitate Marvel but then complain if they're going to imitate Marvel.

mcnabb

Affleck is an idiot if he feels this way, and shows me some people on both sides of the aisle are stuck in their partisan world. I have friends that are both liberal and conservative, and we go at it once in a while, but I would never hate them for their political views. I actually like to hear the other side on most issues because it gives me an insight of where they are coming from. Affleck is typical of a person who wants to hear HIS side all the time, and doesnt' want to be challenged.

Solid Snake

Sarcasm meter is in the shits. Joke?

Mike86

My complaint is they clearly want to try to be like Marvel and rake in money with a Justice League film like The Avengers did but they're going about it in a half assed, rushed fashion. If they want to do this they should do it right and not fuck it up. I just get the feeling the way they're going about the film now it's going to be a bloated mess.

Draven

Exactly.

I guarantee that I won't sit in this Batman/Superman flick and think "Man, I wish Wonder Woman and the Flash were in this!" Maybe a post-credits teaser but that's it.

RocShemp

I totally get what you mean. However, I feel that people are making too much of these casting announcements. I'm expecting these cameos to be less substantial than Jenny Olsen and instead more like the intended Jack Ryder cameo for MOS (that had to be rewritten due to some copyright issue with the character). Remember the blogger to whom Lois Lane leaked her story after Perry White refused to publish it? That was supposed to be Jack Ryder. It was a two scene cameo (the second scene appearing briefly and on a news clip). That's as much as I expect from Wonder Woman and Flash. They'll appear to establish they exist but they won't have any impact in the story whatsoever.

fujishig

Yeah, I think cameos and such are fine, it's only really a "problem" because they've put out so much press about it and people are speculating like crazy. Now if they make WW and Flash and whoever featured players in a crowded mess of a movie, that's another thing.

I also think there's significant risk in going the Marvel route and spinning WW or Flash or whomever into a movie first, because if it flops, there goes your JL franchise. And they've already had a flop.

PhantomStranger

I think Wonder Woman and the Flash will be introduced at the end of this film on a cliffhanger of some kind. Batman and Superman realize they need each other for some sort of global threat and reach out to other heroes. Then the curtains go black...the audience would go bananas if they went really dark at the end like Empire Strikes Back. It would be shocking if they had the supervillain kill off Lois Lane as the movie ends.

Josh-da-man

I think people are antsy because they're already rebooting Batman in a Superman & Batman movie instead of his own film.

Then they make a huge deal about casting Wonder Woman, who's also going to be in the movie. It doesn't seem like they'd be making that big of a deal over if it was just a cameo. Hawkeye was introduced in the first Thor movie in what amounted to a cameo. Black Widow made her first appearance in Iron Man 2, but that felt organic to the story. Nick Fury made his first appearance in a cameo in Iron Man, which was little more than a tag at the end of the film.

Now maybe that's what they're going to with Wonder Woman, The Flash, and anyone else mentioned. But still it seems a bit strange to introduce a franchise character that way. Hawkeye, Black Widow, and Nick Fury are all supporting characters.

RocShemp

It makes more sense if you realize the WB have had several aborted attempts at a Flash movie and a Wonder Woman movie. They have no faith these characters can carry their own movie so they're treating them as bit players in this movie.

Batman and Superman are to the Justice League movie(s) as Wolverine is to the X-Men movies. Everyone else is filler.

fujishig

I think a cameo would be a cool way to link the universe, supporting character or not. It's something I always wanted as a kid, even just a wink and a nod that all these things happened in the same place (something that was really cool when Marvel started doing it all those decades ago).

I disagree about Widow's role in IM2, though. That seemed gratuitous at best, but that may just be because the film was all over the place anyway.

Mike86

The thing that bothers me about this is Warner doesn't even know that these other characters wouldn't do well. They had one character go wrong with Green Lantern but that was a shit film to begin with and it was one misstep. If Marvel had a flop I'm betting they wouldn't just axe everything. DC should take some more risks and learn from past mistakes before just throwing every other character out the window and only relying on their surefire hits. It seems like they want to take little risk and expect a lot of reward or something. That may be fine short term but it's not what's going to help them in the long term making their DC Film Universe in my opinion.

This line of thinking really bothers me. Honestly if that is the case, what is the reason for even doing a Justice League film? Some people apparently think that a Justice League film should just center on Batman and Superman only with everyone else just there basically not doing much because they want it to be a Justice League film even though the other characters apparently don't really matter. If that's the case why the fuck do they even need to be there? Why not just do Batman and Superman only and forget about the rest of the DC characters on film? Clearly Warner and DC don't care much about the other characters and their lack of faith leads me to wonder why the audience will care about them either.

MrSmearkase

From comingsoon.net;

Rob V

Can someone explain to me - in a few sentences - why the f*ck Batman and Superman even have a beef? Don't they have common goals of eliminating baddies?

Mike86

I like Phoenix but not sure I see him as Luthor.

alfredog1976

Someone posted this a while back. I think he'd be an awesome Luthor

Deftones

i'm no comic expert, so this is all from watching the Justice League animated TV show. Bruce doesn't like that Superman is basically all-powerful and there isn't much that can stop him. He fears someone (government, alien species) could use him as a weapon to conquer earth. i think Clark Kent's issue w/ Bruce is that he is too secretive and doesn't really play well with the "team." I would assume they can't really play up that angle since this isn't a justice league movie, so I am not sure where they go with their beef.

Groucho

I'm sure they won't even touch on this in the movie. They'll just be fighting for no reason.

Solid Snake

Batman don't trust no goddamn illegal alien that's why.

dex14

I'm already sick of hearing about this. So much effort being put into news about it, but some of the stuff is going to just be irrelevant.

fumanstan

Did they really make a "huge deal" about it? I think the internet is making it a bigger deal then WB themselves.

Supermallet

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansit.../news/?a=91758

superdeluxe

One down, one more to go.

RocShemp

I eagerly await the news that Zack Snyder has stepped down as director, leaving the reins to Ben Affleck (who promply recasts and/or jettisons Wonder Woman from the picture entirely).

Kal-El

As long as the scales don't tip in favor of Batman in terms of screen time--this is a Man of Steel sequel after all--I'm fine with this.