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Old 11-12-19, 02:18 AM
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

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30 years from now I cannot wait to read the real story behind the making of this sequel trilogy.
Yes for sure, but I wonder if we will ever get the truth. If we do it will be a long time from now. People involved are still young and won't be really candid to protect their careers. But one thing I hope we find out soon is what the plan was for Leia in Eps IX had Carrie not passed before filming.
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Yes for sure, but I wonder if we will ever get the truth. If we do it will be a long time from now. People involved are still young and won't be really candid to protect their careers. But one thing I hope we find out soon is what the plan was for Leia in Eps IX had Carrie not passed before filming.
My gut feeling is that she would have confronted Kylo Ren with Rey at the end of Episode 9. The theme would be that the mother/son bond and his redemption, mirroring the father/son in the OT. As critical as I have been of the ST overall story, the passing of Carrie Fisher put them in a bind for Episode 9. I think we have a much different movie if Carrie Fisher were still alive as I don’t even think they bring back The Emperor. I think the Emperor was a last ditch effort to salvage the story but it still makes no sense to me why he comes back.
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Has the Emperor been living a Voldemort-like existence for 30+ years? I’m not particularly interested in his return, but I’m keeping an open mind.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

I think you're probably right on Fisher and the Emperor.

I don't have as mixed feelings about a digitally recreated Carrie Fisher Fissome do, especially if it is with Billie Lourd's blessing.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

Originally Posted by Brack
Has the Emperor been living a Voldemort-like existence for 30+ years? I’m not particularly interested in his return, but I’m keeping an open mind.
The Rise of Skywalker is going to be a big horcrux hunt.

(I hope I didn't need to spoiler that. I suspect it might not be too far from the truth. )
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

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The Knights of Ren just have clubs and axes. Seems like you could take them out with just a blaster.
If the Knights of Ren are the other "handful of students" that left Luke's training academy along with Kylo, then you could imagine they might have lightsabers hidden in the shafts of their primitive looking weapons.
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I think you're probably right on Fisher and the Emperor.

I don't have as mixed feelings about a digitally recreated Carrie Fisher Fissome do, especially if it is with Billie Lourd's blessing.
And they're not doing a James Dean on her, they're using actual performances from TFA that weren't used, but they're using CGI to update her outfit to match what she had on in TLJ.

I imagine they might have also used any interviews and such where she talked about Star Wars to mine it for comments that could apply to her teaching Rey about the Force. Use it as a voiceover while Rey is working with training remotes and such.

It just boggles my mind that they didn't change TLJ before release so that Leia died doing what Holdo did and let Luke live so he could finish the saga. Rian Johnson shouldn't have been allowed to have that much power.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

In an attempt to get this thread back on an excited positive note. What do you guys think is the best way to rewatch before IX? Just I-VIII? Or sprinkle in some of the TV shows? I've never seen any of the animated series before and wanted to catch up on everything before December but not sure if that is possible right now.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

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In an attempt to get this thread back on an excited positive note. What do you guys think is the best way to rewatch before IX? Just I-VIII? Or sprinkle in some of the TV shows? I've never seen any of the animated series before and wanted to catch up on everything before December but not sure if that is possible right now.
I mean, I think that depends on your definition of "possible." All the movies? Sure. All the animated shows...

The original 2D Clone Wars was about 2 1/4 hours total.
The CGI Clone Wars show is currently 121 episodes at 22 minutes each, so just over 44 hours.
Rebels is "only" 75 episodes at 22 minutes each, so about 28 hours.
Resistance is 27 episodes at 22 minutes each, so about 10 hours

That's around 63 hours. There's 38 days between now and IX's premiere, so that's only 1.65 hours of Star Wars cartoons a day. Every day. About 4 1/2 episodes worth, so maybe alternating between 4 and 5 episodes per day. Or watch 5 episodes every day (110 minutes) and get it done early in only 35 days.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

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I mean, I think that depends on your definition of "possible." All the movies? Sure. All the animated shows...

The original 2D Clone Wars was about 2 1/4 hours total.
The CGI Clone Wars show is currently 121 episodes at 22 minutes each, so just over 44 hours.
Rebels is "only" 75 episodes at 22 minutes each, so about 28 hours.
Resistance is 27 episodes at 22 minutes each, so about 10 hours

That's around 63 hours. There's 38 days between now and IX's premiere, so that's only 1.65 hours of Star Wars cartoons a day. Every day. About 4 1/2 episodes worth, so maybe alternating between 4 and 5 episodes per day. Or watch 5 episodes every day (110 minutes) and get it done early in only 35 days.
Damn that's an awesome breakdown. Thanks. Looks like I'll be sticking to the movies for now.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

I’de say just stick to TFA and TLJ. At the most, maybe Resistance. I haven't watched it yet, though, so i can’t whether it actually adds anything worthwhile like Clone Wars and Rebels did. Maybe this new canon book could be worthwhile?
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

Resistance is garbage. They dropped the ball on that one.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

We're doing the main saga films (with the first Clone Wars series in between 2 and 3. It's been slow going, we started in summer and have done like one movie a month. We just did ANH, and I want to re-watch TLJ a couple more times before watching TROS so I need to get moving on this.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

I’m watching at least the main saga films. Might throw in Rogue One and Solo too since they aren’t much more to add.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

Originally Posted by tanman
In an attempt to get this thread back on an excited positive note. What do you guys think is the best way to rewatch before IX? Just I-VIII? Or sprinkle in some of the TV shows? I've never seen any of the animated series before and wanted to catch up on everything before December but not sure if that is possible right now.
I have been watching 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 (one Saga film per weekend) leading up to Episode 9 in December. I did the same in 2017 as I watched 1-7 over October/November/December leading up to TLJ. The only reason I stress this order (I'm think for any new fan they should start with Episode 4), is that JJ said he is tying up all 9 movies. My point is that it's always interesting to go back and watch the previous movies after a new one is released, because there is always something that has a different context, good or bad. Think of Luke at the end of TFA in 2015, and now think of that scene after TLJ? Think of Obiwan's talk with Luke in 1977ANH about his father, and then watch ESB and ROTJ? Think of The Emperor in 1983 ROTJ, and then think of that same character after you know his backstory of being a politican in Episode 1,2,3. Again, there are some good things that have a different context, and some bad things, but it's always interesting.
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In true Star Wars fashion, a plotline from a newer movie undermines one from a previous movie. Now Vader 'killing' the emperor is gonna carry much less dramatic heft, knowing that he didn't actually die.

That or I'll just pretend that no Star Wars movie exists after ROTJ
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

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In true Star Wars fashion, a plotline from a newer movie undermines one from a previous movie. Now Vader 'killing' the emperor is gonna carry much less dramatic heft, knowing that he didn't actually die.

That or I'll just pretend that no Star Wars movie exists after ROTJ
Vader still put himself in harm's way for another.

Oh god I just realized something - according to the ROTJ novelization, after Vader threw Palpatine down that shaft, he tried to follow to end his own life but Luke pulls him back. He's near death anyways, but he pulls him back to live just a little while longer.

Just like Rose and Finn... oh god, my head is spinning, I need to stop posting about this at work.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

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In true Star Wars fashion, a plotline from a newer movie undermines one from a previous movie. Now Vader 'killing' the emperor is gonna carry much less dramatic heft, knowing that he didn't actually die.

That or I'll just pretend that no Star Wars movie exists after ROTJ
The beauty about ROTJ or even 1-6 (if you recognize the PT) is that story has a true arc and a true ending, so you don't have to recognize the ST to compete the story. I always looked at the ST as an epilogue or a 'what happened' to our beloved characters years later. Sadly, they didn't do them any justice (IMO), so they have pretty much tarnished them compared to that ending on Endor in ROTJ.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

Disney XD is going into overdrive with the Episode 9 commercials, many with new footage.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

Derek Connolly and Colin Trevorrow will still get a Story By credit.
https://collider.com/who-wrote-star-...-skywalker/You
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That's not surprising. Bob and Harvey Weinstein got producer credits on The Lord of the Rings films despite having fuck-all to do with those movies except the rights passed through their hands at one point. It's probably just a union thing.
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That's not surprising. Bob and Harvey Weinstein got producer credits on The Lord of the Rings films despite having fuck-all to do with those movies except the rights passed through their hands at one point. It's probably just a union thing.
Writing credits are a union thing. While executive producer credits are given out like candy, writing credits follow strict guidlines from the two WGAs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WGA_sc..._credit_system

If any participating writer objects to the proposed credits, credit for the film enters arbitration. In addition, if a production executive (i.e. the director or producer of the film) is being proposed for writing credit and there are other, non-production executive participating writers on the project, an automatic arbitration is required..

In the case of an original screenplay, the first writer must contribute more than 33% of the screenplay to receive "screenplay by" credit. Subsequent writers must contribute 50% of the screenplay to receive "screenplay by" credit, unless the subsequent writer is a "production executive" (a producer or director), who must contribute more than 50% of the screenplay to receive "screenplay by" credit...

Credit can be apportioned separately for the story, and for the screenplay or teleplay itself when all writers were not equally involved in the creation of both. "Story" is defined as "all writing covered by the [MBA] representing a contribution distinct from screenplay and consisting of basic narrative, idea, theme or outline indicating character development." "Screenplay" - for theatrical motion pictures - and "Teleplay" - for television and new media motion pictures - is generally defined as "the final script (as represented on the screen) with individual scenes and full dialogue, together with such prior treatment, basic adaptation, continuity, scenario and dialogue as shall be used in, and represent substantial contributions to, the final script." [12] When the same writer or writers are entitled to both "Screenplay by" and "Story by" credit or "Teleplay by" and "Story by" credit, the credit will read "Written by."
The writing credits automatically went into arbitration because Abrams is both director and a writer on the film.The fact that Derek Connolly and Colin Trevorrow aren't getting a "screenplay by" credit means that less than 33% of their script ended up in the final script. They're getting the lesser "story by" credit likely because there's a lot of general story beats that are similar or the same, even if the screenplay itself is almost totally different.

https://collider.com/who-wrote-star-...-of-skywalker/
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

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Yes for sure, but I wonder if we will ever get the truth. If we do it will be a long time from now. People involved are still young and won't be really candid to protect their careers. But one thing I hope we find out soon is what the plan was for Leia in Eps IX had Carrie not passed before filming.
Apparently JJ was able to tell the same story involving Leia had Carrie been around to film it.

https://movieweb.com/the-rise-of-sky...never-changed/
Now, J.J. Abrams says they were able to tell the same story that they would have had Carrie Fisher lived. The Rise of Skywalker features about eight minutes of Leia footage, according to Todd Fisher, which doesn't sound like a lot. With that being said, Abrams is pretty confident that they did her story justice. He explains."There are scenes where she's interacting with other characters in a way that is uncanny. Hopefully, if it works, it will be an invisible thing and if you didn't know, you would never know. But we got to tell the story with Leia that we would have told had Carrie lived. And that's kind of incredible."

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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

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In true Star Wars fashion, a plotline from a newer movie undermines one from a previous movie. Now Vader 'killing' the emperor is gonna carry much less dramatic heft, knowing that he didn't actually die.
In this case, I disagree.
The important part was of that scene was that Darth Vader rescued his son. Had Vader not intervened the Emperor would have killed Luke. And personally, I thought the Emperor got taken out way to easy in ROTJ, so this makes him a bigger threat.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (12/20/19, W/D: J.J. Abrams)

Originally Posted by atrium
In true Star Wars fashion, a plotline from a newer movie undermines one from a previous movie. Now Vader 'killing' the emperor is gonna carry much less dramatic heft, knowing that he didn't actually die.

That or I'll just pretend that no Star Wars movie exists after ROTJ
If the single player story from Battlefront 2 is indeed cannon (and I believe it is), the Emperor is alive and well immediately after ROTJ. Corny, but that's where we're at.


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