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Old 07-19-08, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by caligulathegod
Not to really get into A vs B listers, DC comic films have pretty much been limited to Superman, Batman and Swampthing with a couple offshoots of those characters (Supergirl, Catwoman). Marvel has made Howard the Duck, Captain America, Nick Fury, Blade, X-Men, Spider-Man, Daredevil, Hulk, The Punisher, Iron Man, Dr. Strange, and some offshoots. Yeah. they used to be shitty TV movies or low budget crud, but the variety is to be lauded and Marvel has stopped licensing their product to two guys with a camcorder and beer money and made some pretty decent films lately. DC films has limited itself to a few big budget tentpoles. I think that's probably what he was getting at.
That's exactly what I meant. I mean, with DC, Batman and Superman have been in comics, movies and tv shows non-stop since the 1930's. I like those characters, but DC has as rich a universe as Marvel does, and I wish they would give some attention to some of those other characters with some of the same quality that Marvel has put out recently. Obviously the Blade franchise is one example, and really, aside from the fanboy universe, I don't think X-Men or Iron Man were universally known to the general public like Batman and Superman. And if you're a bit of an older comics fan like me, you remember with horror from your childhood when live-action comics adaptations were things like The Hulk meets Thor tv movie, or the Spiderman live-action tv show. Given those, I'm not as critical as many of a lot of the lesser recent Marvel movies, like Daredevil, Elektra and the FF movies. While they may not be fantastic movies, IMO, they're decent efforts.
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Old 07-19-08, 07:29 AM
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As soon as Bale turned the Joker card over at the end of Batman Begins I thought please do the character right. The Joker needs to be dark, sinister and crazy as hell. I got exactly what I hoped for. Ledger nailed the part. Best movie of the summer and the best comic book movie of all time. I'm driving my son four hours next weekend to see it on an Imax screen.
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One thing I didn't get, mainly because it was about 2:30am by this point and the eye lids were starting to get heavy...

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What was the deal with Lucius Fox entering his name in the computer at the end???
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Originally Posted by arbogast777
One thing I didn't get, mainly because it was about 2:30am by this point and the eye lids were starting to get heavy...

Spoiler:
What was the deal with Lucius Fox entering his name in the computer at the end???
Easy to remember keyword.
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Bats pretty much agreed with Lucius Fox's comments on it being too much power, Bats must have agreed and had the system rigged to blow once a keyword (Lucius Fox) was typed in.
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Old 07-19-08, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by arbogast777
One thing I didn't get, mainly because it was about 2:30am by this point and the eye lids were starting to get heavy...

Spoiler:
What was the deal with Lucius Fox entering his name in the computer at the end???
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Fox objected to the Bruce's monitoring of the City and he said he'd quit after the joker ordeal was dealt with, if the machine remained at Wayne Industries. Bruce put in the auto destruct using Fox's name as the key to say he agreed that this was a dangerous thing and that he didn't want Fox to leave. At the end when Bruce was talking about having hope and all that they flashed over to the machine burning out as Fox walked away knowing that he could always trust Bruce.

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So we're not led to assume he resigned, as he said he would do after he did it?
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Originally Posted by arbogast777
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So we're not led to assume he resigned, as he said he would do after he did it?

no
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Old 07-19-08, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by caligulathegod
True, but when you actually look at a list of what was made, it's like a dozen Superman and related movies, a dozen Batman related movies (both since the 1940s!), 2 Swamp Thing movies, and then nothing else, I can kind of see the point.

(I'm purposefully not counting the few one shots like V for Vendetta)

Why? Doesn't V count?
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Old 07-19-08, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Ky-Fi
That's exactly what I meant. I mean, with DC, Batman and Superman have been in comics, movies and tv shows non-stop since the 1930's. I like those characters, but DC has as rich a universe as Marvel does, and I wish they would give some attention to some of those other characters with some of the same quality that Marvel has put out recently.
Agreed. DC has many characters that would be great in film. As a DC fan I HATE to admit this but the truth is DC isn't as popular with the unwashed masses* as Marvel is. Most only know WW, Batman, and Superman from DC and a huge chunk of that group has no idea they aren't Marvel characters.

Plus, don't forget The Watchmen in 2009

I'm not as critical as many of a lot of the lesser recent Marvel movies, like Daredevil, Elektra and the FF movies. While they may not be fantastic movies, IMO, they're decent efforts.
Agreed again. To me, more comic movies are better than none at all. Even if the films aren't necessarily my favorite heroes, characters, or Comic company universe.





* yes, it was a backhanded insult .
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Simply phenomenal. There really aren't enough superlatives to explain how good this movie is. My only minor complaint, is that in Batman Begins, they did a better job of capturing the dark and dangerous feel of the city. In this, it just felt like Chicago at night. Now, I know some of that has to do with the fact that Batman and Harvey had cleaned up the city, but I still didn't get the same vibe as I did from Batman Begins. But considering that's my only complaint about the movie at all, it's pretty minor in the scope of things.
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I wonder if Robo can discuss comic book properties without bashing Marvel
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I took a trip up to Nashville, TN this weekend to see TDK with my cousin. A week ago he went to the IMAX theater to preorder the tickets, and it's a good think that he did since it sold out very quickly. We got tickets for the 7pm showing on Friday night since all of the other IMAX showings were sold out up to that point.

I left to come visit him this past Thursday. I left work a bit early and got up here around 9 or 10 that night. Once I got here, we started talking about how much we were looking forward to seeing the movie. Then, out of nowhere, we started talking about how it will actually be coming on in just an hour or two. Just for fun, we checked online to see if any normal showings were available, and we found out they changed it from just one normal 12am showing, to six and one of those wasn't sold out. We decided we couldn't wait until 7pm the next night to see it, so we took off really quick and went to the theater.

We got there, they still had a few tickets, so we saw a normal 12am showing.

Then, less than 24 hours later, we saw the IMAX showing we already had tickets for.

I've seen TDK twice in less than 24 hours, and I'd watch it again right this minute if someone asked, heh. I'll post my complete thoughts on the film when I get home, but it's safe to say that it was even better than I imagined it would be, and it's now one of my favorite films of all time. It's a work of art, the type of flick you rarely ever see come along.
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anyone else think that TDK could have been easily rated 'R' despite actually seeing blood?

i just think the twisted, random nature of Ledger's Joker transcended the genre to horror genre and despite not actually seeing the red stuff, with Joker, Dent's face, the tonal nature of the film, and the many killings this could have been easily 'R'.
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Originally Posted by Giantrobo
Agreed. DC has many characters that would be great in film. As a DC fan I HATE to admit this but the truth is DC isn't as popular with the unwashed masses* as Marvel is. Most only know WW, Batman, and Superman from DC and a huge chunk of that group has no idea they aren't Marvel characters.

Plus, don't forget The Watchmen in 2009
Hate to say it, but Marvel characters are easy to pick and run with. Hell, there's comic fans that don't get Watchmen. Then again, there's always those new folks who pick up watchmen and don't understand it because you have to have some level of understanding of comics to get what the message is in that book.

It doesn't help that WB is being moronic with how they create their franchises. They could have easily made a justice league movie. Look at how hard Marvel has had to get back their rights for their characters and now they're making an avengers film.
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Originally Posted by scott1598
anyone else think that TDK could have been easily rated 'R' despite actually seeing blood?

i just think the twisted, random nature of Ledger's Joker transcended the genre to horror genre and despite not actually seeing the red stuff, with Joker, Dent's face, the tonal nature of the film, and the many killings this could have been easily 'R'.
This reminded me a bit of the Saw movies. The Joker setting up traps and making people chose life and death... it's not really a kids movie. If they were going in this direction they should have just went the extra step or two for an R. It also made me think of Ang Lee's Hulk- not much for kids to enjoy and never seems to end.
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Edit: Oh, and did anybody else recogize Bat-Manuel? A bit too much eyeliner. It really stands out in Imax.
My wife and I both said in unison, perhaps a little loudly, "Batmanuel!" just as soon as he appeared. It was too perfect... but I don't think anyone else within earshot thought it was nearly as funny.
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Quick question - should I expect this to be showing at IMAX screens next weekend? Saw it last night in digital (had IMAX tickets but didn't get to see it, long story) and want to go next Saturday morning to see it on IMAX and the new X-Files back to back. How long do you guys think this film will be a staple on the IMAX screen?
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Originally Posted by arbogast777
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So we're not led to assume he resigned, as he said he would do after he did it?
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They were careful to have Fox say that as long as the Bat-Sonar contraption was part of Wayne Industries, Fox would not work for him, so with the auto-destruction sequence in the form of Fox's name inputted by Fox, no more Bat-Sonar, and Fox gets to stay with Wayne Industries with a clearer conscience.
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Quick question - should I expect this to be showing at IMAX screens next weekend? Saw it last night in digital (had IMAX tickets but didn't get to see it, long story) and want to go next Saturday morning to see it on IMAX and the new X-Files back to back. How long do you guys think this film will be a staple on the IMAX screen?
TDK will play on IMAX for at least 2 months (even if it has to split time with another IMAX release at most of the IMAX theaters) because they did TDK on IMAX right, and it's well worth the effort to go see the film in its IMAX form.
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Awesome. The plan is to be there next Saturday morning...I keep watching to see when the theater's website puts those up for sale.
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Watchmen looked kinda silly after seeing The Dark Knight.
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Old 07-19-08, 05:34 PM
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Fuck no. But at least I'm honest about being a DC Fanboy and the way I look DOWN on All things Marvel.

Thankfully, TDK washed the nasty taste of Iron Man and The Hulk out of my mouth.



Actually, I've liked the last few years of Marvel Hero movies but don't spread that.
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Originally Posted by scott1598
anyone else think that TDK could have been easily rated 'R' despite actually seeing blood?

i just think the twisted, random nature of Ledger's Joker transcended the genre to horror genre and despite not actually seeing the red stuff, with Joker, Dent's face, the tonal nature of the film, and the many killings this could have been easily 'R'.
I fully agree. There were a lot of "borderline" teenagers in the showing I went to (with excellent parents I might add as all of the kids were extremely well behaved), but if I had understood what I was in for in advance I would have probably left my kid at home - if I had one. I'm not one for censorship but there's a common sense 'time and place' rule that I would have considered.

The film is rampant with evil - and I do mean evil - intent and the themes are extremely dark. And thanks to this, it makes for a helluva great villain and ride. Loved every minute of it, but I think it's definitely geared towards the adult crowd.
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Old 07-19-08, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Jackskeleton
It doesn't help that WB is being moronic with how they create their franchises. They could have easily made a justice league movie. Look at how hard Marvel has had to get back their rights for their characters and now they're making an avengers film.
Yeah, I tell all my Marvel fanboy friends that I give Marvel credit for not pussyfootin' 'round with the Avengers set up in the last 2 MU films.

I don't think we'll ever see cameos like that in DC films. Fuckin' Lawyers...

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Old 07-19-08, 05:54 PM
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anyone else think that TDK could have been easily rated 'R' despite actually seeing blood?
The movie is definitely intense and keeps you on edge all the time. I keep thinking about last summer when Shia LeBouf and Michael Bay kept talking about how Transformers was so intense that it almost got and R......please!

I think not having any blood shed (visually) on screen and some creative editing are the only thing that saved the movie an R.....cause the movie is brutal.
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