Pizza

Totally agree with this.

Timber

I know Gordon played a big role in the Nolan trilogy but I don't remember him being featured in the series before that.

Pizza

It's a weak one. Still,I'm not a fan of superheroes fighting each other. That's why there's super villains. Obviously, I'm not looking forward to Cap 3 and, I'll assume, Avengers 3 if not 4.

Mike86

In the Burton and Schumacher films his role was pretty shitty overall. He was basically a bumbling idiot. Gordon overall though is one of the most important characters in Batman's universe.

taffer

I don't think they necessarily have to be different ages. They just start their superhero careers at different points in time. So they could both be around the same age, but Bruce has been Batman since his early 20s and Clark is just now becoming Superman in his 30s.

That's kinda how it is in the New 52 as well. The superheroes and Justice League have only been around for about 5 years in the New 52, but Batman has been around for closer to 10 years.

taffer

Mike86

taffer

You're reminding me of a typical comics fan who complains when comics ever make any changes at all.

Were you mad when Dick became Nightwing? Should he have stayed Robin forever? Should Barbara never have progressed from Batgirl to Oracle?

Change isn't always bad, man.

Mike86

I'm not saying changes are bad, but in this case of starting off at a certain point and just not introducing characters and having them killed off or whatever is just kind of lame. Dick and Barbara were around to start with before those changes were made to their characters. Its one thing to progress an existing character but to take a major character and just say they're dead off the bat doesn't sit right with me.

Timber

I see what you did there.

taffer

Mike86

I'm not assuming he's intended to be an important character. If the rumor is true clearly he's not, but in most versions of Batman the character is pretty central. Not just comics either; the 66 series, Batman: The Animated Series, the Nolan films, etc. He wasn't a major part of the Burton/Schumacher films but that aspect of his character being downplayed has always been a criticism of those films since the relationship between Batman and Gordon is pretty key to the character. It just strikes me as doing something to try and be different but in a way that just makes you wonder what the fuck they're really thinking.

fujishig

Apparently the higher ups at DC don't think Barbara should have progressed... and now she's somehow de-aged as well.

While I agree it's a loss to the standalone Bats movie whenever that comes out, it just lightens the load on an already overcrowded movie, so I don't think it's that big of a deal (unless they spend a lot of time on his death).

taffer

Yeah, that decision is just mind-boggling. Their excuse for making Barbara Batgirl again is that she is the one that the non-comic reading audience is the most familiar with. Yet, they decided to keep Damian Wayne as Robin, who non-comic readers wouldn't have a clue who he is. Why didn't they de-age Dick and make him Robin again? I guess they didn't want to piss off Grant Morrison is really the only reason they kept Damian.

Mike86

I don't think its necessary for Gordon to be in Batman V. Superman since as you mentioned the film already has characters coming out the ass that don't really need to be there. I think the story will be busy enough and him not being there wouldn't make him missed. I think that if the rumor is true that it'll be a pretty significant loss for the solo Batman films that are to come after this film.

taffer

Maybe not a loss...

Mike86

DaveyJoe

There are too many characters!!


You can't kill off Gordon!1

Mike86

I know you're being saracstic but I already acknowledged that I don't think its necessary for him to be in this film which is over-crowded. I'm just saying that in future Batman films killing off that character is stupid.

brayzie

Barbara/Batgirl shouldn't have been shot through the spine and sexually assaulted by the Joker in-continuity. Maybe Moore doesn't think Barbara should have been Batgirl anymore, but other writer's probably could have told more stories with her. Probably one of the prime examples of Women-In-Refrigerators.


No, they also did it because Cassandra Batgirl and Spoiler Batgirl weren't catching on and weren't selling. They didn't want to let the Batgirl name go out of use and copyright so they finally resorted to bringing back Barbara for a few reasons, partly because of the iconic status you mentioned, partly because they needed a sales boost, and partly because they tried other Batgirls and they weren't successful.

They didn't de-age Dick Grayson because even hardcore comic fans weren't clamoring for him to become Robin again. Most were perfectly fine with Tim Drake, and Damien became pretty popular as Robin IV.

taffer

Damian is Robin V. Everyone forgets that poor Stephanie Brown had a very brief tenure as Robin IV. Then she died, and Bruce didn't even give her a memorial in the Batcave like he did for Jason. Nobody likes Stephanie.

brayzie

Wow, I totally forget her. Poor Stephanie. Set up as Robin only as fodder for Black Mask.

That storyline was so stupid.

That was a bad era for Batman comics IMO.

hanshotfirst1138

I heard that Stephanie's tenure as Batgirl in the Brian Q. Miller book was really good though.

Who was writing when she was Robin? I don't know that era. I didn't know there was a female Robin besides Carrie Kelly.

raven56706

lets see if its true... who knows... maybe it isnt

taffer

Both Stephanie and Cassandra were fan-favorites as Batgirl. Some people say they didn't sell well, but I'm not really sure how true that really is. How could they be fan-favorites and not sell well? That seems contradictory.

Stephanie was Robin during the War Games/War Crimes storyarc. I don't recall who the writer was then, but it was in the early 2000s. It was after Hush, but before Morrison came on board and introduced Damian. That whole period really wasn't a good time for Batman comics.