Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
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#2228
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Ratner; S: Cavill, Affleck)
DC is in a tough spot for sure. At this point they just need to face it, no matter what they do they're going to be behind. I think the best option they have is just to run their own course and not try and get to Marvel's level like they've been clearly trying to do. It's just not going to work or if they try and make it work it'll come off as a gigantic clusterfuck. I don't think the film being pushed back to 2016 is the spelling of doom that some people in here seem to because in my opinion 2015 was pushing it even worse as making it feel like a rush job. It's been clear for a while that they're really trying to force this project into working. I liked Man of Steel and am open to a sequel to that which could eventually turn into something larger but at this point they just need to slow it down in my honest opinion.
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#2229
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Ratner; S: Cavill, Affleck)
To put this into perspective WB didn't even know, or care to know, how to make a good Green Lantern movie. I have very low expectations upon anything that comes from them at this point.
#2231
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Ratner; S: Cavill, Affleck)
May: Avengers 2
June: Jurassic World, Fantastic Four, Ted 2
July: Terminator, Minions, Ant-Man
Aug: Bourne 5
Nov: Bond 24, Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 2
Dec: Alvin and the Chipmunks 4, Inferno, Star Wars Ep 7, Kung Fu Panda 3, Mission Impossible 5
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#2234
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Ratner; S: Cavill, Affleck)
This thread is hilarious.
A week ago: I wish DC would take more time and do this right.
After the bump: they're fucked, they have no idea what they're doing.
MARVEL0010110!!!
A week ago: I wish DC would take more time and do this right.
After the bump: they're fucked, they have no idea what they're doing.
MARVEL0010110!!!
#2235
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Ratner; S: Cavill, Affleck)
Giving it more time is a good thing (remember, moving it to 2016 will mean 3 years in between movies, not that bad). Whether or not they take advantage of it, is something else. Hopefully they do.
#2236
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Ratner; S: Cavill, Affleck)
To be fair they're just delaying the film a year, they aren't really taking more time with the universe to build up the characters and are still cramming as many characters as they can into one film.
#2237
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Ratner; S: Cavill, Affleck)
Although, come to think of it, if the rumour is true that would mean Zack Snyder will be directing Justice League.
#2238
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Ratner; S: Cavill, Affleck)
Let's be honest, does it really matter? To me this whole project still screams clusterfuck whether it's two movies or one. They just seem like they're desperately trying to get on Marvel's level which in my opinion isn't happening anytime soon.
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Ratner; S: Cavill, Affleck)
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Ratner; S: Cavill, Affleck)
The funny thing about the perception of this movie is there isn't any evidence of failure yet. At least with a movie like Robocop we can probably guess it will suck because the released promotional footage gives the impression that the movie will suck. While I'm not crazy about Affleck as Batman, there's a perfectly good chance it will all come together. But it's been very amusing to see the same people condemn this movie for rushing things too quickly and then write it off for having a delay. These comic book movies have baggage and I'm just grateful that the studios are catering more to movie audiences than the hardcore comic book fans who clearly can't be pleased.
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Ratner; S: Cavill, Affleck)
You'll notice that the vocal outrage is mostly coming from comic fans, they simply can't be pleased. I just watched Iron Man 3 and I think it was the best movie that Marvel has done so far, but the comic fans can't separate the mediums and have to nitpick the movies to death. It's okay to be critical but they will overlook a flawed title if it's faithful and condemn a solid movie when it's not.
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Ratner; S: Cavill, Affleck)
You'll notice that the vocal outrage is mostly coming from comic fans, they simply can't be pleased. I just watched Iron Man 3 and I think it was the best movie that Marvel has done so far, but the comic fans can't separate the mediums and have to nitpick the movies to death. It's okay to be critical but they will overlook a flawed title if it's faithful and condemn a solid movie when it's not.
The funny thing about the perception of this movie is there isn't any evidence of failure yet. At least with a movie like Robocop we can probably guess it will suck because the released promotional footage gives the impression that the movie will suck. While I'm not crazy about Affleck as Batman, there's a perfectly good chance it will all come together. But it's been very amusing to see the same people condemn this movie for rushing things too quickly and then write it off for having a delay. These comic book movies have baggage and I'm just grateful that the studios are catering more to movie audiences than the hardcore comic book fans who clearly can't be pleased.
The funny thing about the perception of this movie is there isn't any evidence of failure yet. At least with a movie like Robocop we can probably guess it will suck because the released promotional footage gives the impression that the movie will suck. While I'm not crazy about Affleck as Batman, there's a perfectly good chance it will all come together. But it's been very amusing to see the same people condemn this movie for rushing things too quickly and then write it off for having a delay. These comic book movies have baggage and I'm just grateful that the studios are catering more to movie audiences than the hardcore comic book fans who clearly can't be pleased.
I have no problems with Affleck as Batman or Cavill as Superman and was actually one of the few who defended Man of Steel when a bunch of others wanted to pick it apart for being too different from the more classic Superman. I think DC has potential with some of the parts they've got lined up they're just going about it wrong in my opinion.
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Ratner; S: Cavill, Affleck)
I have no problems with Affleck as Batman or Cavill as Superman and was actually one of the few who defended Man of Steel when a bunch of others wanted to pick it apart for being too different from the more classic Superman. I think DC has potential with some of the parts they've got lined up they're just going about it wrong in my opinion.
And yeah, the big problem with DC's approach to a cinematic universe is they are rushing straight to a Justice League movie in an attempt to play catch up. It would be much better to get some solo character movies out first and then have a Justice League movie later.
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Ratner; S: Cavill, Affleck)
I checked IM3 out from the library and found it just fine. I was entertained and didn't have a problem with how the Mandarin was handled. I'd just read the original issues with his origin and it's fine with me they dispensed with his original backstory (and the magical rings he wears).
What went down in IM3 also doesn't preclude them doing a "real" Mandarin at some point, either- which is what people speculating will be alluded to in the Kingsly short showing up on the Thor discs.
All it takes is a crafty writer to bridge that gap.
What went down in IM3 also doesn't preclude them doing a "real" Mandarin at some point, either- which is what people speculating will be alluded to in the Kingsly short showing up on the Thor discs.
All it takes is a crafty writer to bridge that gap.
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Ratner; S: Cavill, Affleck)
That's what Marvel did in many comics. They made X-Men then later on Wolverine had his own series, Nightcrawler had his own series too etc.
The same shit can probably work for movies. If Justice League movie is epic in special effects, vision, story...people will buy into it.
#2246
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Ratner; S: Cavill, Affleck)
Rumors n stuff
Let's deal with Joaquin Phoenix first. Two days ago, in Variety's article regarding Batman Vs. Superman being pushed back 10 months they reported that the main villain role, "is still in Joaquin Phoenix’s court." This is twice that Variety has mentioned Phoenix for the part, yet they haven't revealed who the main villain is. Well, my source, General Napier, has informed me that Phoenix is "very close" to taking the role, and that the main villain is Lex Luthor. So, put two and two together and you have Joaquin Phoenix as Lex Luthor.
Here's a small tidbit about the Man of Steel. General Napier tells me, Henry Cavill will be sporting a new haircut in Zack Snyder’s untitled Superman/Batman film. His Kryptonian locks will be getting a trim. The shorter 'do will resemble Superman's look in Alex Ross and Mark Waid's Kingdom Come, minus the grey hair. An image of Kingdom Come Superman is in the banner image above. Oh, and that hairdo includes Superman's trademark "S" curl, which was absent in the first film.
As for Ben Affleck's rumored rib injury, which was first reported by Batman News. Even though Ben was seen last night at the 20th annual Screen Actors Guild Awards walking around just fine, General Napier has heard that Ben Affleck suffered a musculature injury. Supposedly the injury isn't too severe. He's expected to be back at full-health sometime in April. At the moment, he supposedly can't perform certain movements for the fight sequences, and a stunt double will be used. My source wanted me to stress, Affleck's injury is NOT the reason for the film's delay, and even speculated that this information could be circulating Warner Bros. as a diversion from the behind-the-scenes issues.
The reason for the delay is multifaceted. While I'm not at liberty to discuss most of those issues at this time, I can tell you that one issue is budgetary. There's a concern regarding Wonder Woman's home, Paradise Island (aka Themyscira). Executives are debating whether to feature the island, which would require massive VFX, or merely referencing it.
Last week, Mario-Francisco Robles of Latino Review reported that "Batman vs Superman and Justice League are going to be shot back-to-back. He also said, Batman vs Superman would end with an "insane cliffhanger/teaser that leads right into Justice League. I'm told by General Napier that shooting Batman Vs. Superman and Justice League back-to-back is being considered but no official decision has been made at this time. But, I was also contacted by another source, who requested anonymity, and he told me Justice League is a go, and will be released one year after Batman Vs. Superman.
As for the cliffhanger rumor? General Napier, tells me that's very much true. Cliffhangers, will actually will be one key component in WB's master plan to dethrone Marvel Studios. WB realizes that Marvel films are famous for their mid- and post-credits scenes, and have no interest in copying from Marvel's playbook. WB's plan, is to end each of their films with a cliffhanger, setting up the next film in their cinematic universe. WB also wants to do short films for their lesser known characters. These short films would be played at the end of each film. That's a pretty interesting way of taking on Marvel's trademark post-credits scenes.
I'm told by my source, that the marketing campaign for Batman Vs. Superman will still be starting up this year. Photo releases can be expected in the coming months and a viral site will be launched with a "choose your side" angle. That's about it. In the near future, be on the lookout for official casting news pertaining Joaquin Phoenix, Jason Momoa (despite his denials) and Josh Holloway.
Here's a small tidbit about the Man of Steel. General Napier tells me, Henry Cavill will be sporting a new haircut in Zack Snyder’s untitled Superman/Batman film. His Kryptonian locks will be getting a trim. The shorter 'do will resemble Superman's look in Alex Ross and Mark Waid's Kingdom Come, minus the grey hair. An image of Kingdom Come Superman is in the banner image above. Oh, and that hairdo includes Superman's trademark "S" curl, which was absent in the first film.
As for Ben Affleck's rumored rib injury, which was first reported by Batman News. Even though Ben was seen last night at the 20th annual Screen Actors Guild Awards walking around just fine, General Napier has heard that Ben Affleck suffered a musculature injury. Supposedly the injury isn't too severe. He's expected to be back at full-health sometime in April. At the moment, he supposedly can't perform certain movements for the fight sequences, and a stunt double will be used. My source wanted me to stress, Affleck's injury is NOT the reason for the film's delay, and even speculated that this information could be circulating Warner Bros. as a diversion from the behind-the-scenes issues.
The reason for the delay is multifaceted. While I'm not at liberty to discuss most of those issues at this time, I can tell you that one issue is budgetary. There's a concern regarding Wonder Woman's home, Paradise Island (aka Themyscira). Executives are debating whether to feature the island, which would require massive VFX, or merely referencing it.
Last week, Mario-Francisco Robles of Latino Review reported that "Batman vs Superman and Justice League are going to be shot back-to-back. He also said, Batman vs Superman would end with an "insane cliffhanger/teaser that leads right into Justice League. I'm told by General Napier that shooting Batman Vs. Superman and Justice League back-to-back is being considered but no official decision has been made at this time. But, I was also contacted by another source, who requested anonymity, and he told me Justice League is a go, and will be released one year after Batman Vs. Superman.
As for the cliffhanger rumor? General Napier, tells me that's very much true. Cliffhangers, will actually will be one key component in WB's master plan to dethrone Marvel Studios. WB realizes that Marvel films are famous for their mid- and post-credits scenes, and have no interest in copying from Marvel's playbook. WB's plan, is to end each of their films with a cliffhanger, setting up the next film in their cinematic universe. WB also wants to do short films for their lesser known characters. These short films would be played at the end of each film. That's a pretty interesting way of taking on Marvel's trademark post-credits scenes.
I'm told by my source, that the marketing campaign for Batman Vs. Superman will still be starting up this year. Photo releases can be expected in the coming months and a viral site will be launched with a "choose your side" angle. That's about it. In the near future, be on the lookout for official casting news pertaining Joaquin Phoenix, Jason Momoa (despite his denials) and Josh Holloway.
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Ratner; S: Cavill, Affleck)
That's what Marvel did in many comics. They made X-Men then later on Wolverine had his own series, Nightcrawler had his own series too etc.
The same shit can probably work for movies. If Justice League movie is epic in special effects, vision, story...people will buy into it.
The same shit can probably work for movies. If Justice League movie is epic in special effects, vision, story...people will buy into it.
That's comics though. Movies are different. Comics don't really have the same time limits that movies do. They have years and years of history built up before characters spin off into their own solo titles. Movies have about two hours. Introducing all the Justice League members in two hours without it being a giant clusterfuck would be miraculous. The first X-Men movie did it, but that was a pretty limited cast of characters. It was basically Wolverine Guest-Starring Everyone Else.
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Ratner; S: Cavill, Affleck)
I heard Doop is getting his own series too.
That's comics though. Movies are different. Comics don't really have the same time limits that movies do. They have years and years of history built up before characters spin off into their own solo titles. Movies have about two hours. Introducing all the Justice League members in two hours without it being a giant clusterfuck would be miraculous. The first X-Men movie did it, but that was a pretty limited cast of characters. It was basically Wolverine Guest-Starring Everyone Else.
That's comics though. Movies are different. Comics don't really have the same time limits that movies do. They have years and years of history built up before characters spin off into their own solo titles. Movies have about two hours. Introducing all the Justice League members in two hours without it being a giant clusterfuck would be miraculous. The first X-Men movie did it, but that was a pretty limited cast of characters. It was basically Wolverine Guest-Starring Everyone Else.
My issues with IM3 had nothing to do with Mandarin or changes to the comic, more the storyline that has him working out of a garage with a kid, the remote controlled armors, and then the resolution to the movie. With MoS, I readily admit an unwillingness to move on from a hopeful, inspiring Superman as the reason the movie made me cringe.
#2249
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Ratner; S: Cavill, Affleck)
I checked IM3 out from the library and found it just fine. I was entertained and didn't have a problem with how the Mandarin was handled. I'd just read the original issues with his origin and it's fine with me they dispensed with his original backstory (and the magical rings he wears).
What went down in IM3 also doesn't preclude them doing a "real" Mandarin at some point, either- which is what people speculating will be alluded to in the Kingsly short showing up on the Thor discs.
All it takes is a crafty writer to bridge that gap.
What went down in IM3 also doesn't preclude them doing a "real" Mandarin at some point, either- which is what people speculating will be alluded to in the Kingsly short showing up on the Thor discs.
All it takes is a crafty writer to bridge that gap.
That bolded part is pretty cool if true. Basically, these will be movies in the vein of JLU (separate stories on the surface but really one ongoing series in the grand scheme of things) and, if so, that's a solid approach. But if they want to do that, they need someone like Bruce Timm (if not Timm himself) on board to Godfather these movies.
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (May 6, 2016) (D: Ratner; S: Cavill, Affleck)
Not sure about DC's plan to end films with cliffhangers. Cliffhangers are OK for films that would be too long for one film (Hobbit, HP 7, etc) but probably not for it being there just to try to force audiences to see the next film. All of Marvel's films have been essentially stand-alone stories that build on each other. You could see one and have a complete story.