Michael Corvin

Marvel only had one option, DC doesn't.

Ten years ago people didn't know who Iron Man, Thor, Cap, Fury, Hawkeye & Black Widow were, nor did they care. Marvel had to take a course to bring awareness to their characters. DC doesn't have to. People are plenty aware of Bats, Supes, WW and even Flash and Aquaman. They've never left people's conscience. They can hit the ground running for the most part and toss in some cameos and not think twice about it.

dex14

Peter Patrelli for Nightwing.

banthafett

How bad will this ugly ass stick out standing next to Ben and HC?

anomynous

wat

slop101

He's a good actor, but too tall and goofy looking for Nightwing, but whatevs.

Josh-da-man

Giving this some thought, I think I would have rather that they not reboot Batman and just kept the same continuity from Batman Begins and Dark Knight and not allowed Nolan to close out the character with Dark Knight Rises.

Recast Bale with Affleck (they already recast Katie Holmes with Maggie Gyllenhaal), and then hit the ground running. Then Superman and Batman could have Lex Luther teaming up with Wayne Industries to try to take Superman down after the mass destruction he and Zod caused in Man of Steel.

TheMovieman

Which I suspect is what's going to happen anyway.

RocShemp

I feel the same way. They were being extremely shortsighted when they allowed Nolan to make the last three Batman movies so insular. Then again, when they approached him to write Man of Steel, Nolan wanted to do the same to Superman. There was to be no possibility whatsoever for a Justice League movie with Nolan at the helm.

Undoubtedly. It'd be a missed opportunity if Luthor isn't the one who foots the bill to rebuild Metropolis, thus making him "the man that saved Metropolis".

That said, there would be no need to waste time rebooting Batman if they were moving forward from an already established Batman continuity that was merely merging into the new Superman continuity.

Mike86

What? The casual fan knows Batman and Superman, maybe Wonder Woman. The rest of the characters I highly doubt it. Green Lantern is known only for the piece of shit movie that was released in 2010 so his story needs to be re-worked in order for people to take it seriously. The Flash, Aquaman, Martian Manhunter, Cyborg, etc. (depending on who they all want to use) aren't that well known to the mainstream at all. Besides that regardless of the fact of whether they need to bring awareness to their characters or not the Marvel model makes sense anyways. Rather than just throwing a bunch of characters in one film and having a potential cluster fuck on their hands they took their time with it and worked it out over time.

You have to remember though, at the time that Warner had Nolan reboot Batman the whole idea of big team up movies wasn't a reality yet. Batman Begins came out in 2005 and the first Marvel Phase One film didn't come out until Iron Man in 2008. So it seems short sighted in hindsight that they allowed him to do a stand-alone trilogy but at the time they probably didn't have anything bigger planned out. As far as Superman goes I don't know if that's exactly the case that it was intended to just be it's own set of films. I think with that character anyways you have more opportunity to leave the door open to introducing characters from other worlds or with powers and not have it be a stretch since Superman is an alien anyways. Batman was different in that the way it was done by Nolan it was a more realistic take on the character if he lived in our world.

RocShemp

Given that it was a topic that Nolan brought up back when he was making BB, something tells me WB wanted the door open for crossovers but agreed when Nolan said "no". And he had gone on record that he believes Superman should be the only superhero in his world. A silly notion that the comics themselves dispelled when Superman realized he can't be everywhere at once when a plane crashed while he was dealing with another situation (a forest fire, I think).

But by then TDK was a mega huge hit so WB was more than willing to kiss Nolan's ass.

taffer

Wonder Woman definitely isn't as well known as either Batman or Superman.

Ask a random person who Bruce Wayne or Clark Kent is, and they most likely would know. Ask them who Diana Prince is and they won't have a clue.

Josh-da-man

I suppose they could just ignore Dark Knight Rises and have Bruce Wayne/Batman in Superman and Batman be the same one from Batman Begins and Dark Knight; have references to Batman being an outlaw, mention Rachel being killed, etc.

RocShemp

They won't do that. It'd be too confusing for general audiences.

The reboot is happening and that's that. I'm fine with them starting over but do feel they didn't need to.

PenguinJoe

Like Green Lantern did?

If DC really wants to revamp a character I want a proper Hellblazer movie and a British Hellblazer. I mean a Hellblazer tv show would even be good.

Man of Steel was kind of boring. The action was alright but the movie was shit.

Mike86

In truth I don't remember reading anything about Warner or DC or Nolan saying anything about a team up film or a cross over movie but that doesn't mean it wasn't ever discussed. I remember rumors floating around before Batman Begins ever came about that one of the potential ideas for a film was a Batman vs. Superman movie but that's all I ever remember hearing about. I guess the way way I look at it is what's done is done and we got a good trilogy of films from Nolan. So while it is somewhat of a disadvantage that Batman needs to be rebooted overall it isn't a huge deal since the character is established enough and popular enough that he's easy to re-introduce.

Plus not only that hindsight is always 20/20, of course now that the Marvel films are hugely successful it's easy to say Nolan shouldn't have just done a trilogy of Batman films he should have made them all into one interconnecting DC Universe and we'd have been on course by now. No one knew how hugely successful the Marvel model was going to be and at the time what was needed for Batman was to be re-established in the mainstream audience's mind as a character that can be taken more seriously after Schumacher fucked up the reputation of the character on film. So in that sense what Nolan did worked it just wasn't made to be something bigger than that.

PhantomStranger

Nolan gets his way on the Dark Knight trilogy because he's made billions in box office for Warner. I think without Nolan around, that version of Batman moves directly to the MOS sequel without being rebooted.

Solid Snake

yeah..but depends on how much WB wants to keep Nolan happy. WB wants to own Nolan. He's probably in the best position any director can have.

Michael Corvin

I didn't say GL, Cyborg, MM or any other second tier character. I maintain, the core 5 are known enough to not need individual films. Toss them on screen kicking ass and people will get it. Does anyone really want an Aquaman origin movie? Flash & WW could benefit, but again, I think they'd work just fine.

And yet if you ask who Wonder Woman is, they could tell you. Is Clark Kent or Bruce Wayne the reason people go see Batman or Superman? I'm not quite sure why knowing an alias is the where the line is drawn between needing an origin film or just introducing a character in a team movie. That's something that can be covered in oh, 5 seconds of film.

Mike86

Eh I dunno. As much as I would have been okay with that being attempted it probably is for the best that the Nolan Batman universe stays separate. The tone of those films wouldn't have really adapted well to a larger DC Universe if you ask me. Plus especially the fact that Bruce essentially was done being Batman at the end of The Dark Knight Rises it wouldn't have worked unless Blake was Batman and maybe Bale was still involved but as Bruce only.

Josh-da-man

Warners seems to have a habit of handing over DC properties to producers/directors to run with (or not run with) and do as they please with them. Tim Burton took Batman and made Tim Burton movies with the character. And then there's John Peters and Superman and Sandman. Nolan took Batman, rebooted the franchise, and then closed it off after three movies. So now we're going to have the THIRD Batman reboot in twenty-five years. And they already botched Green Lantern, so now that's a reboot after one movie.

And that type of corporate climate is the main reason they're going to have trouble pulling a Justice League together. They really do a need a guru like Feige overseeing everything.

Mike86

Green Lantern is a second tier character? That's news to me. People may get it but you can't deny that it's kind of dumb to say that just because you toss a bunch of characters in a movie that it's automatically going to be successful. I'm sure that's what Warner and DC wants to believe but fact is the Marvel movies worked because by the time The Avengers came out people knew the characters well enough that they were excited to see them all together. Also The Flash and Wonder Woman would definitely benefit from solo movies and I'd be perfectly okay with an Aquaman movie if it was done right. His run in the New 52 and the way his character is now could actually be decently adapted. Also it may seem goofy to think about using characters like Martian Manhunter and Cyborg now but who would have ever thought Marvel would be making films out of characters like the Guardians of the Galaxy or Ant Man? Point is if DC does this right they can actually expand their universe on film and maybe do alright.

The point I think that he's making is that the characters of Bruce and Clark are so well known to the general public already that you can basically use them and people will accept them pretty much right away without questions whereas characters like The Flash and Wonder Woman really aren't that well known. People might know who they are by how they look but don't know anything about the characters so why do they really care about seeing them? Unless you're just putting them in just for the hell of it and making the film only about Batman and Superman and just shitting on the rest of the characters but then why even do it.

taffer

Green Lantern is second tier?

He's only had one of the hottest comics since the early 2000s...

Green Lantern didn't get rebooted with the New 52 relaunch in 2011 because his comic was so popular. Superman and Wonder Woman got rebooted though...

Honestly, in terms of the comics now, the Big Two are now Batman and Green Lantern rather than Batman and Superman.


Um hell yes I want an Aquaman movie!

Aquaman is a freaking badass.

When DC did the New 52 relaunch, for several months straight Aquaman was in the top 10 best sellers chart and not a single Marvel title made the top 10. That means Aquaman was outselling Spider-Man, X-Men, Avengers, etc.

I'm not joking about that either...

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/02/...mic-in-january


That's basically what I was saying. Who really wants a movie where Batman and Superman do nothing but punch bad guys for two hours straight. That would get boring. The private lives of Bruce and Clark add a lot of necessary depth.

Solid Snake

I admire your knowledge but you fail to realize the stats that are in the comics are much harder to realize in film. Pop culture is a heavier beast to kill in film. Comics have a much easier time to kill it.

Saying that, I don't mind Aquaman. Hated him when he was at stereotypical cheese and hook hand man. Otherwise I think he can be the best character to be done justice. Just to kill the damn lameness he has in pop culture. Something to totally revamp the public perception would be awesome.

Don't think I'd want a film of him though. Again WB needs a Feige. Someone who can make that possibility exciting and financially foreseeable for the positive.

I'm actually amazed that I care about a producer. Yeah, there are great producers that we can know but Feige is involved in something else so wildly different from the norm. I'd like to see an indepth interview with him. See how his mind goes into how he sets it up.

taffer

I never said otherwise. I know comics can be difficult to adapt to film.

Marvel is adapting a talking raccoon to film. Aquaman would be a much easier adaptation that that.

Aquaman has the whole Atlantis theme that would be amazing on film. It could most definitely be done.


I'm not sure what that means.


Have you actually read those comics when Aquaman had the hook hand? They were actually really good. Peter David was the writer then, and his work is always good stuff.


That's exactly why of any Justice League member, Aquaman needs a movie the most. They need to kill that SuperFriends perception of Aquaman being a lame duck. That perception is about as accurate a portrayal of Aquaman as Adam West is to modern Batman.

Mike86

I dunno, a lot of people don't really know a lot about the character so that might work to a potential Aquaman film's advantage if you ask me. Some people might have the cheesy image of him in their mind but it's not really any different from other characters having to overcome that. A lot of people were most familiar with Batman from the Adam West series until Burton made his film. I think if Aquaman was introduced that the best way to handle it would be to start him off in a cameo part of a larger character's film or something along those lines. He might not be the biggest asset that a potential Justice League film or what have you would offer but I think he could be done justice if he was handled right.