Game of Thrones, Season #1 - SPOILERS thread
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Anyone suprised that Jamie hasnt been called KingSlayer once?
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Ned's probably as close as you'll get to a white hat. As for Cersei, I feel like later on, GRRM takes the edge off of her, or at least makes her somewhat more sympathetic character. As I remember, early on, she wanted to love her husband, but he wasn't receptive to it (out of love for Ned's sister?). She turned into what she is out of fear and self-preservation. And everything she does is for her children, no matter how misguided.
I am also surprised that the direwolves have been in some scenes but not others on the TV series. If nothing else, they should just be following the kids at all times. I know Ghost does a lot of hunting off on his own but he should have at least been following Jon on the Kingsroad when they turned off. Or a throwaway line that Ghost was off ranging. There are in some scenes they are in and it's great, and then other scenes where they could easily be sitting on the ground and they just...aren't. It's odd.
I do like the little details, like the Maester's chain. Book readers know why he has a big chain around his neck, and non-book readers probably just think it's part of his costume. There are enough little details like that that they aren't making a huge deal about that I appreciate.
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I thought no one called him that until there was more tension, like back at Kings Landing, and only those that have open contempt for him.
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I would think a bit earlier unless the finale is going to be 2 hours. IIRC, there was still a good 100 pages after the execution.
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I would guess either Episode 7, You Win or You Die, or 8, The Pointy End. The title of 8 obviously refers to Arya killing the stableboy as she's running away after the guards come for her. With HBO's love of cliff hanger endings, I'm going to bet it's the end of 7, but if they follow the timeline of the book, it will be the end of 8.
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Forget Ned's execution, I'm look forward to the scene with Lord Lannister on the toilet! That ought to be fun.
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Re: Game of Thrones, Season #1 - SPOILERS thread
Ned's probably as close as you'll get to a white hat. As for Cersei, I feel like later on, GRRM takes the edge off of her, or at least makes her somewhat more sympathetic character. As I remember, early on, she wanted to love her husband, but he wasn't receptive to it (out of love for Ned's sister?). She turned into what she is out of fear and self-preservation. And everything she does is for her children, no matter how misguided.
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That map wouldn't be considered canon I don't think. The sea to the west should be much larger or they would travel to it almost as much as across the narrow sea.. Also the landmass above Essos, well I don't think there's supposed to be one. There's an island called Ibben but it's an island not a continent.
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That map wouldn't be considered canon I don't think. The sea to the west should be much larger or they would travel to it almost as much as across the narrow sea.. Also the landmass above Essos, well I don't think there's supposed to be one. There's an island called Ibben but it's an island not a continent.
well the map came from GRRM, so I would assume that makes it canon.
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You sure? I read elsewhere that wasn't the case, and I don't think I've seen him put a map out otherwise that showed all of Essos or another continent. For example I've seen maps in the book that showed part of Essos and it didn't look like that.
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Ned is the most vile character in the series. Renly offers to help him resolve the whole mess peacefully in a coup d'etat, but Ned thinks that'd be dishonorable so he launches on a foolish course that ends in a bloody civil war and the death of most of his family.
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Ned isn't vile at all, he's just honor bound and believed that coup would be wrong. He was a baffling choice to be Hand. But Robert wasn't good at being a king so he didn't make a good choice.
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You say that as though invoking honor excuses his actions. It doesn't. What you call "honor" I call "selfishness" -- he condemned thousands of people to death simply so he could keep his conscience clear.
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on another forum a guy works for HBO said it came from GRRM's renderings. He worked on certain aspects of the show.
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Yeah you see it one way he sees it another. He sees it as doing the morally right thing. Stannis is the rightful heir and nothing else matters because anything else would be wrong in his value/honor system. Doesn't mean he's bad, just misguided in the opinion of most. I am not a fan of his, so don't get me wrong. I don't think it's selfish considering he's not doing what benefits him. What Renly suggested is what would benefit him and the mass population of the realm. He's doing what he thinks he is supposed to do.
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I think we've established that Ned was more than willing to discard the proper line of succession when he helped to overthrow the Mad King. The fact that he would so strictly adhere to it in this case shows more than a little hypocrisy, don't you think?
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He is not vile at all, just a man that stands by his convictions and what he feels is right. I think the kingdoms would have been thrown into rebellion regardless of the actions. There is no way Lannister would have stood for his family to be dishonored, and he is the wealthiest and most powerful lord in the Seven Kingdoms. Had Renley been made King, his brother would have rebelled; had Ned taken the throne, most would rebel against the Northener. It was a true no win situation, and shows that an idealist like Ned is not suited for southern/modern politics.
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Looking at the Lord Snow thread, people seem to be getting excited at the Daenerys plot. At what point do you think we'll see a backlash as people realize it's not going to pay off anytime reasonably soon?