Star Trek XI in 2008 Written/Directed by JJ Abrams
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What is the difference anyways? Why in the world would one of them be considered insulting but the other not?
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They got into it in that "Trekkies" documentary. It seemed like the more unhinged fans wanted to be called "Trekkers" and the more casual/normal fans were okay with either label.
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But it stands out where it shouldn't. Seriously, look at those two pics just above then compare them to an original picture, then the new picture. Can you honestly say the new design is a better representation of a modern styled Enterprise? It's one thing to make changes to update for modern times, but I also think you can go over the line.
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Wow...I didn't even notice a major difference when I saw that pic at AICN... shows how much I know
I hate to argue these types of niggling points because they *shouldn't* matter. But to many folks like myself, it's indicative of the mindset that gave us Insurrection and Nemesis, and most of ST: Enterprise's run. Sacrificing details for story may seem like a writer's maxim (and I've seen it posited on trek forums already), but if you change too many details you create "lurches" in the story telling. Like in Nemesis, they find the parts to another Soong type android. Somebody should have said "hey, remember all the shit Lore put us through? Let's lock this shit up in a secure R&D facility where nobody will find it." Before somebody chimes in with that ever-present snarkism "well then the movie would be over in 5 minutes", let me respond with "and rightfully so, get another storyline".
And I am a trekkie. Don't care who knows it.
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The 1701-A and 1701-E are my favorite designs, this new one is fine with me, but the nacelles look a little goofy. I've been a Trekkie since the early 70's (was too young to appreciate TOS on its first run) and the new design does not bother me in the least. I'm looking forward to this movie.
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The 1701-A and 1701-E are my favorite designs, this new one is fine with me, but the nacelles look a little goofy. I've been a Trekkie since the early 70's (was too young to appreciate TOS on its first run) and the new design does not bother me in the least. I'm looking forward to this movie.
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I like the design because it looks Organic and frankly it looks "beefier".
I don't consider myself a "trekkie" or a "trekker". But I've certainly been a general fan of the Star Trek Universe since 70's thanks to reruns of TOS, and all the later series.
I'm very much looking forward to this new film.
I don't consider myself a "trekkie" or a "trekker". But I've certainly been a general fan of the Star Trek Universe since 70's thanks to reruns of TOS, and all the later series.
I'm very much looking forward to this new film.
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Once again proving my point that flat out making this a reboot would have made people far more accepting than this half-in half-out scenario they're trying to pull off.
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The ship is neat. It has design cues from the movies and the series.
I'm sure back in 1979 Trekkies/Trekkers were pissed off at redesigned Enterprise in TMP. Roddenberry raped my childhood! Oh wait, that phrase wasn't coined until The Phantom Menace!![RotfL](/images/smilies/rotflmao.gif)
The difference between then and now? The Internet!
I'm sure back in 1979 Trekkies/Trekkers were pissed off at redesigned Enterprise in TMP. Roddenberry raped my childhood! Oh wait, that phrase wasn't coined until The Phantom Menace!
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The difference between then and now? The Internet!
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Frankly, as long as Time Travel and outright violations of the Prime Directive are possible in the Trek-Universe there's really no legit complaint for any changes in continuity.
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From James Cawley (fan-made New Frontiers series creator):
To Boldy Go……
Upon reading all the comments and some fans backlash this morning after finally seeing the newly released image of J.J. Abram’s new Starship Enterprise, I wanted to breath a sigh of relief that " I could finally talk about the design" and yes, with a few changes this IS in fact the design I saw last year. But all the negativity I was reading got me thinking that I really needed to speak to my fellow fans about the new feature itself, beyond the new Enterprise. So let me start off by saying that Yes, this film will be different! And What is wrong with that?
That is probably a pretty strange sentiment coming from such a die hard, canon obsessed - whore fan as me! (lol, yes I can admit that!) You see, I want to put this new film into comparison with another high profile franchise that is doing quite well these days, and in the end see if you don’t agree with me.
Right now as I write this there are no less than 4 different versions of Batman available to the mainstream viewing audience. On tv we have "The Batman", "Batman: The Animated Series," The forthcoming "Batman: The Brave and The Bold" and of course "BATMAN" starring Adam West. There is also, the current successful film series (Batman Begins & Dark Knight) starring Christian Bale, and the Tim Burton era films. They are all wildly different interpretations of the character, and no one confuses one with the other, they are all Batman! And all of these enhance that franchise and all, to some degree, are successful.
So, why can’t Star Trek do the same? No one will confuse this new feature with The Original, or vice versa. This new feature will hopefully be a slam-bang adventure with some of Gene’s morals thrown in for good measure. This is simply another take on Trek. No one will punish the die hard fans, if in the end they enjoy it.
This New Trek, will hopefully serve to remind people why they Loved Star Trek so much to begin with. I believe it will re-awaken people to the fact that The Original Series was so good, and prompt them to buy the DVDs and get reacquainted with old friends. It will also, more importantly, introduce those legendary characters to a new generation of kids who have no idea who Kirk and Spock are, and what the heck is Star Trek.
I understand this is a new way of doing things, after all the Star Trek franchise was unique (with the possible exception of Star Wars). Trek is a single franchise that respected it’s own fictional universe and history and made each of it’s sequels fit fairly snugly (despite a few small errors over time) into it’s own 40 year canon, which is remarkable! That being said, Relax. The Original Series isn’t going anywhere. SO GO SEE THE NEW MOVIE! GIVE IT A CHANCE. This is a NEW STAR TREK! as a fan it really is okay if you like them both!
Upon reading all the comments and some fans backlash this morning after finally seeing the newly released image of J.J. Abram’s new Starship Enterprise, I wanted to breath a sigh of relief that " I could finally talk about the design" and yes, with a few changes this IS in fact the design I saw last year. But all the negativity I was reading got me thinking that I really needed to speak to my fellow fans about the new feature itself, beyond the new Enterprise. So let me start off by saying that Yes, this film will be different! And What is wrong with that?
That is probably a pretty strange sentiment coming from such a die hard, canon obsessed - whore fan as me! (lol, yes I can admit that!) You see, I want to put this new film into comparison with another high profile franchise that is doing quite well these days, and in the end see if you don’t agree with me.
Right now as I write this there are no less than 4 different versions of Batman available to the mainstream viewing audience. On tv we have "The Batman", "Batman: The Animated Series," The forthcoming "Batman: The Brave and The Bold" and of course "BATMAN" starring Adam West. There is also, the current successful film series (Batman Begins & Dark Knight) starring Christian Bale, and the Tim Burton era films. They are all wildly different interpretations of the character, and no one confuses one with the other, they are all Batman! And all of these enhance that franchise and all, to some degree, are successful.
So, why can’t Star Trek do the same? No one will confuse this new feature with The Original, or vice versa. This new feature will hopefully be a slam-bang adventure with some of Gene’s morals thrown in for good measure. This is simply another take on Trek. No one will punish the die hard fans, if in the end they enjoy it.
This New Trek, will hopefully serve to remind people why they Loved Star Trek so much to begin with. I believe it will re-awaken people to the fact that The Original Series was so good, and prompt them to buy the DVDs and get reacquainted with old friends. It will also, more importantly, introduce those legendary characters to a new generation of kids who have no idea who Kirk and Spock are, and what the heck is Star Trek.
I understand this is a new way of doing things, after all the Star Trek franchise was unique (with the possible exception of Star Wars). Trek is a single franchise that respected it’s own fictional universe and history and made each of it’s sequels fit fairly snugly (despite a few small errors over time) into it’s own 40 year canon, which is remarkable! That being said, Relax. The Original Series isn’t going anywhere. SO GO SEE THE NEW MOVIE! GIVE IT A CHANCE. This is a NEW STAR TREK! as a fan it really is okay if you like them both!
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Huh? What do you mean. The only ones bitching are the "Hardcore" folks who can't accept any change. The rest of us who would rather give it a chance certainly out number them.
Frankly, as long as Time Travel and outright violations of the Prime Directive are possible in the Trek-Universe there's really no legit complaint for any changes in continuity.![RotfL](/images/smilies/rotflmao.gif)
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Frankly, as long as Time Travel and outright violations of the Prime Directive are possible in the Trek-Universe there's really no legit complaint for any changes in continuity.
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I'm going to have to see more of the new Enterprise design before I can fully pass judgment on it. The released photograph is poorly lit and only from one angle.
As it stands, the design seems like it's off balance. The "neck" that connects the saucer section to the engineering section sits too far back, and then looks like it tapers back all the way to the back of engineering. The nacelles are are connected way at the back of engineering (and they're look fucking huge, too), and come out of it at an odd angle.
I'm really going to need to see more of it before I can form an opinion.
(Of course, I've always thought that most of the Enterprise designs looked flimsy and strange.)
As it stands, the design seems like it's off balance. The "neck" that connects the saucer section to the engineering section sits too far back, and then looks like it tapers back all the way to the back of engineering. The nacelles are are connected way at the back of engineering (and they're look fucking huge, too), and come out of it at an odd angle.
I'm really going to need to see more of it before I can form an opinion.
(Of course, I've always thought that most of the Enterprise designs looked flimsy and strange.)
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From www.darkhorizons.com:
It is a good thing I was cremated because otherwise I'd be rolling over in my grave right now with the thought of J.J., Kurtzman & Orci turning my beloved 'Star Trek' into 'Independence Day' & 'Lost in Space'. I am quite confident, however, that my true fans will avenge me by turning 'Star Trek 90210' into 'Speed Racer 2009'.
Yours truly from the stars and beyond,
Gene
It is a good thing I was cremated because otherwise I'd be rolling over in my grave right now with the thought of J.J., Kurtzman & Orci turning my beloved 'Star Trek' into 'Independence Day' & 'Lost in Space'. I am quite confident, however, that my true fans will avenge me by turning 'Star Trek 90210' into 'Speed Racer 2009'.
Yours truly from the stars and beyond,
Gene
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I am going to borrow this post from the TrekBBS (and thank poster T'Aerwynd), as I feel it is a clear illustration, and better articulated than I could accomplish.
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The new USS Enterprise released yesterday has spawned dozens if not hundreds of articles across the globe in the mainstream press and the geekosphere. Reaction here at TrekMovie has been running at one comment every 49 seconds for 24 hours straight. In that deluge are a few notables, including former Star Trek designer Rick Sternbach and the designer of the new ship, Ryan Church.
Sternbach and Church on the new E Rick Sternbach was a senior illustrator and designer for the Trek franchise going all the way back to star Trek The Motion Picture, working mostly on the TV series in the TNG era (Next Gen, DS9 and Voyager). He designed dozens of Trek ships and stations, including Deep Space Nine, the Klingon Vor’cha battle cruise, the USS Voyager, and the USS Enterprise C.
This and the many other comments got the notice of the designer of the new Enterprise, Ryan Church, who has worked on the Star Wars prequels, the Transformers movies and the new James Cameron film Avatar. Church wrote in the TrekMovie comments:
Sternbach replied back, noting that he has since had a chance to see a new angle of the Enterprise (lucky Rick!)
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The new USS Enterprise released yesterday has spawned dozens if not hundreds of articles across the globe in the mainstream press and the geekosphere. Reaction here at TrekMovie has been running at one comment every 49 seconds for 24 hours straight. In that deluge are a few notables, including former Star Trek designer Rick Sternbach and the designer of the new ship, Ryan Church.
Sternbach and Church on the new E Rick Sternbach was a senior illustrator and designer for the Trek franchise going all the way back to star Trek The Motion Picture, working mostly on the TV series in the TNG era (Next Gen, DS9 and Voyager). He designed dozens of Trek ships and stations, including Deep Space Nine, the Klingon Vor’cha battle cruise, the USS Voyager, and the USS Enterprise C.
Quote:I get the distinct impression that to do the nacelles and secondary hull, someone stared at the USS Pasteur for a while. Just a thought. But even the Pasteur’s Bussard collectors had line of sight to open space, which the nacelles on this new ship don’t seem to have. Perhaps the designers didn’t know exactly how the different hardware bits worked (I violated this rule a little here and there, but I knew when I was doing it). Now I’m not being a whiner, just an informed critic. There’s room in this Trek world for healthy design criticism, as well as simply sitting back and enjoying a well made SF film. I -hope- the film is well written and clever and has good proportions of action, humor, tech, etc. but I’m also prepared to analyze the design work to see, perhaps, how far the shapes and colors and functions stray from 40 years of evolved gear.
Quote:I’m not going to get involved in the mud slinging, here, but needed to assure you guys and gals: we’ve built you a fine ship. To clarify: there’s a slight optical illusion occurring here, consequence of the “camera” angle. For Rick and others who worry the nacelles don’t have a clear line of sight over the disc — they, in fact, do. We were hardly working in a vacuum. I raided ILM reference photos like a madman. We were deferential to “inviolates” of Star Trek design vocabulary. Additionally, the profile here isn’t 100% representative, because, as you’ve noticed, the Bussards are dimmed. The true profile of the nacelles may or may not be revealed here, and that’s all I’ll say.
Quote:I went back and checked the Bussard clearance, and yeah, it works. I’ve seen a port side ortho[graphic] elevation, and I don’t have a problem with the mechanics of it, it’s the proportions and flows of the basic parts that look odd to me. Granted, no ship ever looks perfect in every ortho view, nor in every perspective view. We who have done this stuff in our sleep know that most vehicle and prop designs have their “best” faces. I’m not going to bore people with excerpts from my classical art and architecture books, though I will probably thumb through them here just to see if I can glean anything relevant. Like I said, I’ll wait to see how the film looks as a whole effort.
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I am going to borrow this post from the TrekBBS (and thank poster T'Aerwynd), as I feel it is a clear illustration, and better articulated than I could accomplish.
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The new USS Enterprise released yesterday has spawned dozens if not hundreds of articles across the globe in the mainstream press and the geekosphere. Reaction here at TrekMovie has been running at one comment every 49 seconds for 24 hours straight. In that deluge are a few notables, including former Star Trek designer Rick Sternbach and the designer of the new ship, Ryan Church.
Sternbach and Church on the new E Rick Sternbach was a senior illustrator and designer for the Trek franchise going all the way back to star Trek The Motion Picture, working mostly on the TV series in the TNG era (Next Gen, DS9 and Voyager). He designed dozens of Trek ships and stations, including Deep Space Nine, the Klingon Vor’cha battle cruise, the USS Voyager, and the USS Enterprise C.
This and the many other comments got the notice of the designer of the new Enterprise, Ryan Church, who has worked on the Star Wars prequels, the Transformers movies and the new James Cameron film Avatar. Church wrote in the TrekMovie comments:
Sternbach replied back, noting that he has since had a chance to see a new angle of the Enterprise (lucky Rick!)
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The new USS Enterprise released yesterday has spawned dozens if not hundreds of articles across the globe in the mainstream press and the geekosphere. Reaction here at TrekMovie has been running at one comment every 49 seconds for 24 hours straight. In that deluge are a few notables, including former Star Trek designer Rick Sternbach and the designer of the new ship, Ryan Church.
Sternbach and Church on the new E Rick Sternbach was a senior illustrator and designer for the Trek franchise going all the way back to star Trek The Motion Picture, working mostly on the TV series in the TNG era (Next Gen, DS9 and Voyager). He designed dozens of Trek ships and stations, including Deep Space Nine, the Klingon Vor’cha battle cruise, the USS Voyager, and the USS Enterprise C.
This and the many other comments got the notice of the designer of the new Enterprise, Ryan Church, who has worked on the Star Wars prequels, the Transformers movies and the new James Cameron film Avatar. Church wrote in the TrekMovie comments:
Sternbach replied back, noting that he has since had a chance to see a new angle of the Enterprise (lucky Rick!)
If certain people long ago had started realizing and caring more about the importance of original plotlines and good writing and seeing the overall insignificance of trivial, bullshit minutiae such as "the ability to see over the nacelles" and other such garbage then perhaps Star Trek wouldn't be a dying franchise right now praying that J.J. Abrams, a man who never saw a TOS episode until a few years ago, will be capable of pulling a miracle out of his asshole and saving this long-running Sci-Fi name that has been reduced to the rat-gutter level of pathetic insignificance.
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If certain people long ago had started realizing and caring more about the importance of original plotlines and good writing and seeing the overall insignificance of trivial, bullshit minutiae such as "the ability to see over the nacelles" and other such garbage then perhaps Star Trek wouldn't be a dying franchise right now praying that J.J. Abrams, a man who never saw a TOS episode until a few years ago, will be capable of pulling a miracle out of his asshole and saving this long-running Sci-Fi name that has been reduced to the rat-gutter level of pathetic insignificance.
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Wow, even I'm not that pessimistic.
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I'm not crazy about the look of the new Enterprise either, but I'm more concerned about the description of those scenes JJ showed in the U.K. It sounds like they took every memorable thing about each character and did at least one scene spoofing it (Kirk's tendency to get in fights, Spock's emotional struggle, Chekov's dropping of "W"s in front of words, etc.). Those four scenes that were shown all sound cringe-inducing. Hopefully they'll "play" better than the description of them - but I'm worried...really worried...that this new STAR TREK movie is going to be what everyone feared it might be: essentially "Star Trek: Stardate 90210".
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And yet, that model was significantly smaller than original series model.
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Once and for all, I'd like to know why in the realm of Sci-Fi Nerdom that:
It's okay for "SW" fans to make a federal case about Lucas' digitally tinkering of the original trilogy, it's *almost* treated as a legitimate concern by the public at large, buuuuuuuuut...
"ST" fans get harangued into oblivion for wanting something as simple as wanting JJ Abrams showing a bit more respect to a 40 plus year franchise that he wants to make money off of. I guess as a Trekkie (Trekker, whatever!) I'm used to having to sit at the back of the Nerd Bus.
Personally, I think it's slightly shameful and hugely ironic that Deep Space Nine--the least popular of all Treks-- could pull off that a brilliant coup of continuity with the episode, "Trials and Tribble-ations" simply because THEY CARED. All J.J. seems to want is a paycheck from Paramount.
It's okay for "SW" fans to make a federal case about Lucas' digitally tinkering of the original trilogy, it's *almost* treated as a legitimate concern by the public at large, buuuuuuuuut...
"ST" fans get harangued into oblivion for wanting something as simple as wanting JJ Abrams showing a bit more respect to a 40 plus year franchise that he wants to make money off of. I guess as a Trekkie (Trekker, whatever!) I'm used to having to sit at the back of the Nerd Bus.
Personally, I think it's slightly shameful and hugely ironic that Deep Space Nine--the least popular of all Treks-- could pull off that a brilliant coup of continuity with the episode, "Trials and Tribble-ations" simply because THEY CARED. All J.J. seems to want is a paycheck from Paramount.