Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) (D: Snyder; S: Gadot)
08-26-13, 07:36 PM
#901
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (2015) (D: Snyder; S: Cavill, Affleck)
Ugh, I recently rewatched Returns. To me it does not hold up at all. I'd completely forgotten about the scene where Penguin controls the Batmobile from a miniature version of it. That movie is so dumb. Catwoman is the only redeeming feature and that's after discounting her stupid origin.
I know the last two are still shit but I have to rewatch the first to see if it is still decent. It can't be worse than Returns.
I know the last two are still shit but I have to rewatch the first to see if it is still decent. It can't be worse than Returns.
08-26-13, 08:04 PM
#902
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (2015) (D: Snyder; S: Cavill, Affleck)
As others have said, Return works better as a Tim Burton movie than as a Batman movie. The first one is okay, though Nicholson's Joker is obviously just the actor doing his schtick in clown make-up.
08-26-13, 08:17 PM
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (2015) (D: Snyder; S: Cavill, Affleck)
That's why I saw Returns is the best film, but Forever is the best Batman movie. Returns is way better when you look at it as Burton's German expressionist film.
08-26-13, 09:27 PM
#904
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (2015) (D: Snyder; S: Cavill, Affleck)
How could I forget Dick Tracy? 
Yup. It's an underappreciated pulp superhero movie tetralogy.
Yes. Yes, he does.
Again, yes.
Those two moments are what made me begin viewing the Burton movies as, well, Burton movies. The Batman doesn't kill but Burton's Batman sure as hell does.
The '89 move may stick a little closer to the source material but the Burton weirdness was already evident. Particularly with the whole "I made you, you made me first" business from the first movie.
Yup. It's an underappreciated pulp superhero movie tetralogy.Those two moments are what made me begin viewing the Burton movies as, well, Burton movies. The Batman doesn't kill but Burton's Batman sure as hell does.
The '89 move may stick a little closer to the source material but the Burton weirdness was already evident. Particularly with the whole "I made you, you made me first" business from the first movie.
08-26-13, 09:39 PM
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (2015) (D: Snyder; S: Cavill, Affleck)
There was a lot of controversy about Nolan's Batman allowing Raz Al Ghul to die in Batman Begins, if I remember correctly.
08-26-13, 09:47 PM
#906
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (2015) (D: Snyder; S: Cavill, Affleck)
It'd be fine if Bruce developed a no killing code after he purposefully allowed Ra's Al Ghul to die but the Nolan movies made no effort to show when or why he developed such a code.
08-26-13, 09:51 PM
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (2015) (D: Snyder; S: Cavill, Affleck)
It never bothered me. He couldn't save Ra's while also stopping the train. It was one or the other, the way I saw it. With Joker he had the ability to save him, so he did.
08-26-13, 09:55 PM
#908
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (2015) (D: Snyder; S: Cavill, Affleck)
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He already knocked Ra's down and it was Gordon who brought down the train by destroying the supports of the tracks (Batman fighting Ra's was a distraction so Gordon could do what needed to be done and Ra's destroying the controls was an added bonus). Ra's questioned if Bruce would finally be willing to kill him ("are you finally prepared to do what's necessary?") and Bruce instead mocked Ra's ("I'm not going to kill you but it doesn't mean I have to save you") as he abandoned Ra's to die.
Bruce had the ability to save Ra's Al Ghul. He actively chose not to do so.
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08-26-13, 09:58 PM
#909
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (2015) (D: Snyder; S: Cavill, Affleck)
I don't understand all the love for BATMAN RETURNS. The origin of the Penguin was ridiculous, and the scene where all these penguins are armed with rockets (Who supplied them? Who put them on?) made me think I was watching the old TV series.
The Catwoman's origin was even worse. She gets pushed out of a window and is then revived by alley cats? Then she gets nine lives as a result? What the hell?!?!?!?
The Catwoman's origin was even worse. She gets pushed out of a window and is then revived by alley cats? Then she gets nine lives as a result? What the hell?!?!?!?
It's a typical Tim Burton movie and has almost nothing to do with actual superheroes. He butchered both Catwoman and the Penguin, no matter how great Michelle Pfeiffer looked in a rubber suit. I shudder to think how disastrous his Superman movie would have taken the character.
08-26-13, 10:13 PM
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (2015) (D: Snyder; S: Cavill, Affleck)
Then you need to watch it again.
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He already knocked Ra's down and it was Gordon who brought down the train by destroying the supports of the tracks (Batman fighting Ra's was a distraction so Gordon could do what needed to be done and Ra's destroying the controls was an added bonus). Ra's questioned if Bruce would finally be willing to kill him ("are you finally prepared to do what's necessary?") and Bruce instead mocked Ra's ("I'm not going to kill you but it doesn't mean I have to save you") as he abandoned Ra's to die.
Bruce had the ability to save Ra's Al Ghul. He actively chose not to do so.
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He already knocked Ra's down and it was Gordon who brought down the train by destroying the supports of the tracks (Batman fighting Ra's was a distraction so Gordon could do what needed to be done and Ra's destroying the controls was an added bonus). Ra's questioned if Bruce would finally be willing to kill him ("are you finally prepared to do what's necessary?") and Bruce instead mocked Ra's ("I'm not going to kill you but it doesn't mean I have to save you") as he abandoned Ra's to die.
Bruce had the ability to save Ra's Al Ghul. He actively chose not to do so.
08-26-13, 11:21 PM
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08-26-13, 11:28 PM
#913
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (2015) (D: Snyder; S: Cavill, Affleck)
08-27-13, 12:29 AM
#914
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (2015) (D: Snyder; S: Cavill, Affleck)
08-27-13, 12:49 AM
#915
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (2015) (D: Snyder; S: Cavill, Affleck)
08-27-13, 12:57 AM
#916
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (2015) (D: Snyder; S: Cavill, Affleck)
It just feels the most like Batman to me. It's got a bit of darkness (it would have more if WB would ever allow Schumacher to assemble a director's cut), some levity, an okay introduction of Robin, and is mainly just a lot of fun.
I should clarify that I think it's the best Batman movie of the four Burton/Schumacher films. Batman Begins and The Dark Knight smoke it in terms of getting to the core of Batman.
Since we're already on a tangent anyway, this is how I would rate all the theatrically released Batman films to date:
The Dark Knight
Batman Begins
Batman Returns
Mask of the Phantasm
Batman Forever
Batman '89
Batman '66
The Dark Knight Rises
Batman & Robin
I should clarify that I think it's the best Batman movie of the four Burton/Schumacher films. Batman Begins and The Dark Knight smoke it in terms of getting to the core of Batman.
Since we're already on a tangent anyway, this is how I would rate all the theatrically released Batman films to date:
The Dark Knight
Batman Begins
Batman Returns
Mask of the Phantasm
Batman Forever
Batman '89
Batman '66
The Dark Knight Rises
Batman & Robin
08-27-13, 12:57 AM
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (2015) (D: Snyder; S: Cavill, Affleck)
Bruce had no intention of stopping the train; he deliberately wrecked the controls at the start, before fighting Ra's.
08-27-13, 01:03 AM
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (2015) (D: Snyder; S: Cavill, Affleck)
So Rolling Stone claims Cranston is going to be Luthor in a 6 picture deal.
Rolling Stone
Report: Bryan Cranston Cast as Lex Luthor in 'Man of Steel'
'Breaking Bad' star has reportedly signed a multi-film deal
After five seasons of playing Walter White, the chemist-turned-meth-kingpin on AMC's Breaking Bad, Bryan Cranston has racked up plenty of evil-doer experience. And according to report from Cosmic Book News, he'll boost his villian credentials even further by playing Superman nemesis Lex Luthor in the upcoming sequel for Man of Steel.
Cranston has reportedly signed a deal that includes at least six appearances (and possibly more), meaning that his character will appear in a variety of films set within the inter-connected DC Comics universe.
"Cranston is truly a dream casting for Luthor," a source told Cosmic Book News.
This news follows last week's controversial announcement that Ben Affleck has signed on to play Batman in the same film. The actor reportedly inked a deal that includes 13 total appearances.
'Breaking Bad' star has reportedly signed a multi-film deal
After five seasons of playing Walter White, the chemist-turned-meth-kingpin on AMC's Breaking Bad, Bryan Cranston has racked up plenty of evil-doer experience. And according to report from Cosmic Book News, he'll boost his villian credentials even further by playing Superman nemesis Lex Luthor in the upcoming sequel for Man of Steel.
Cranston has reportedly signed a deal that includes at least six appearances (and possibly more), meaning that his character will appear in a variety of films set within the inter-connected DC Comics universe.
"Cranston is truly a dream casting for Luthor," a source told Cosmic Book News.
This news follows last week's controversial announcement that Ben Affleck has signed on to play Batman in the same film. The actor reportedly inked a deal that includes 13 total appearances.
Rolling Stone
08-27-13, 01:03 AM
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08-27-13, 01:14 AM
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (2015) (D: Snyder; S: Cavill, Affleck)
Please, for the love of God, and all that is holy...no more land grabs!
08-27-13, 01:22 AM
#921
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (2015) (D: Snyder; S: Cavill, Affleck)
Wow...for once, we actually agree on something. "Batman Forever" is my favorite of the first four, with the original as a close second. I think too many people bash Schumacher for "Batman & Robin", when the "camp central" motif was mostly WB's fault.
Bruce had no intention of stopping the train; he deliberately wrecked the controls at the start, before fighting Ra's.
Bruce had no intention of stopping the train; he deliberately wrecked the controls at the start, before fighting Ra's.
You're going to hell.
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08-27-13, 01:25 AM
#922
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re: Untitled Superman & Batman Film (2015) (D: Snyder; S: Cavill, Affleck)
I get what you're trying to say but honestly it doesn't excuse the movie to me at all. It was supposed to be a Batman film and not some German arthouse homage. As a Batman film Batman Returns is absolutely awful. I've gone into it in length before but so much about that movie I just hate. I think Batman while not a perfect movie and dated in a lot of ways is a better Batman film as Burton was kept on a leash basically and didn't get to go out of control, whereas with Batman Returns he was basically just given the full reigns and made the Tim Burton freakshow movie disguised as a Batman film.
08-27-13, 01:35 AM
#925
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