Michael Corvin

They're playing it safe. I don't see it as a slight on Supes at all.

Supermallet

For all the people trashing the Donner Superman films, I'm watching a filmed conversation between Christopher Nolan and Richard Donner, and Nolan treats Donner's Superman very reverentially. It's clear that he has a ton of respect for Donner's film (as Donner does for the Dark Knight movies).

So, you know, nyah nyah.

Sonic

It's a "versus" movie.

Title of the movie is between two:

Superman vs Batman

Batman vs Superman

taffer

No its not. Its never been confirmed to be a versus movie. The title doesn't have versus in it. Its just Superman/Batman like the comic book of the same name.

Sonic

and today:

At another panel David S Goyer, who wrote MoS and will do the same for it’s sequel, revealed possible titles for the DC team up.

Sounds like a versus movie to me more than a team up.

Michael Corvin

Pitting them against each other sounds stupid.

Defiant1

Just don't cast Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Batman. He's a fine actor but he is all wrong physically for the role. He bulked up for his porn movie and he still looked scrawny.

Mike86

I don't love or hate the Donner/Reeve films I mostly just think they haven't aged that well and Man of Steel to me was a refreshing take on the character rather than trying to keep it in the past like Superman Returns did. Man of Steel wasn't a perfect film but I think the hate for it is a bit silly to be honest. On the same note though that can be reversed for the fans that were trashing the Reeve/Donner films. It doesn't really surprise me that Nolan has respect for the Reeve films and for Donner. He's about the age where he probably saw them when they were originally out and Superman: The Movie is basically the first big superhero film.

PenguinJoe

I agree, Batman would die in less than a minute just hurl him into space or punch him super hard.

taffer

This.

Its not that I hate the Donner/Reeve movies. I used to LOVE the Donner/Reeve movies when I was a kid. I loved Adam West Batman too.

They have both aged very very very very very poorly, and I have no desire to ever watch them again.

I still respect them because they were great for their time, but that time has long since passed. Some things are best left in the past after all.

Supermallet

I'm not saying they needed to stick to what Donner did. In fact, I was one of the people saying leave it in the past, it's time for something new. The caveat is that it needed to not just be new, but also good, which MoS wasn't, IMO. And this won't be either if Snyder's in charge. Oh well.

Anyway, my point in posting this is that there are a few people who act like the Donner films have no merit whatsoever, and it's utterly baffling that people like them. Well, not only do people like them, but the guy who made the Dark Knight trilogy loved them.

PhantomStranger

I will personally boycott any film that brings in Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Batman. The people that disrespect the Donner movies are people that only grew up on very recent superhero flicks and can't stand some of the dated elements in them like the poor FX and actual comic book costumes. The first Superman also moves much slower than modern superhero films and that probably rankles some.

Hollywood has deluded an entire generation into believing that comic book costumes are worthless, which has led most heroes these days to wearing military gear. It's crazy that the porn parodies often use the classic comic book costumes and Hollywood creates poor armor with desaturated colors. Spandex in 2013 looks a lot better than it did thirty years ago.

RocShemp

"You peaked".

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And I love how Bats made sure the score was 1 - 1 when it came to their respective identities.

Michael Corvin

^^ I like this guy. Phantom has hit the nail on the head in regards to Donner's Superman.

Defiant1

They could always bring in good ole' Kryptonite!

Michael Corvin

So Supes melts/freezes bats from 30 yards away.

RocShemp

That's based on the assumption that Batman would take Superman on in a so-called "fair fight". Despite what the Nolan films would have you believe, Batman doesn't charge headfirst into battle. He'd study Superman until he found the right weakness and then exploit it to the point of submission. That's how Batman truly operates.

As much as I enjoyed the ass kicking that Batman handed Superman in The Dark Knight Returns the fight was out of character. But then, if my memory is accurate, Frank Miller painted himself in a corner by stating that Kryptonite no longer affected Superman. So he came up with the combo of Superman having just cheated death and Batman wailing on him with a powered suit of sorts.

EDIT: Kryptonite no longer affecting Superman was from Kingdom Come. In The Dark Knight Returns, Batman, wearing an exoframe, fights Superman, who just a had survived a near-death experience, and Batman Green Arrow shoot a Kryptonite arrow at Superman at a key moment in the fight. So the fight is actually in keeping with Batman's style of engaging his opponents.

Mike86

In my case that's not it at all. I grew up with older superhero films such as the Burton and Schumacher Batman films, Adam West Batman, and the Reeve Superman films in the early nineties or so. To me the the ones I listed that hold up best are Batman (1989) and Adam West's Batman. The Reeve films didn't do much for me as a kid and they don't do much for me now they have some cool elements and I love the John Williams theme but overall they aren't films I'd want to go back to often.

What's funny is I've always enjoyed the Adam West Batman series a great deal even if it's campy as all get out. I think because with the Adam West show it was meant to be corny and really it represents the era of the Silver Age comics perfectly if you ask me. The Reeve films to me while having some good elements a lot of times just come off as being kind of corny and pretty dated while trying to come across as semi serious films and I think that's part of why I find them harder to watch.

Also honestly as much as I love classic comic costumes and all that it's just modernizing of the characters. I don't always love that changes are made but it's easy to see why it's done as a lot of the comic costumes don't really translate well to film without looking kind of silly and realistically it shouldn't matter that much what superheroes are wearing as long as core elements to the character aren't changed.

RocShemp

Concept Art shows off Darren Aronofsky's Batman movie that never was

Imagine if Batman looked like this?



I like the above Grey Ghost-esque design but I doubt it would have been received well by fans.

But the Lincoln Continental Batmobile would have been pretty badass:



On a side-note, I have read the controversial script and I had no idea Paul Dini wrote it. I always thought Aronofsky and Miller co-wrote it.

Dragon Tattoo

Wow, glad that was never made.

taffer

That's not it at all. I was born in 1979, so I grew up in the 80s watching and loving the Donner/Reeve movies and Adam West Batman. I just don't find them at all appealing today as an adult, and not for the reasons you said.

The poor FX doesn't bother me one bit. I still watch and enjoy older movies with poor FX by today's standards.

I also read tons of comic books so the comic book costumes don't bother me at all either. In fact, I greatly prefer them over what the New 52 did by giving everyone armor.

I just can't stand to watch the Donner/Reeve movies today because they are so cornball. They really are as cornball as Adam West Batman. Cornball just doesn't appeal to me anymore.

This I do agree with. I never minded the "underwear on the outside" concept at all. The New 52 giving Superman armor was just eyeroll inducing stupidity. The 90s trend was giving everyone pouches, pouches, pouches galore. Today's trend is giving everyone armor.

Actually my first thought was that it looked like Damian Wayne as the future Batman from Batman 666.

Brack

I loved Superman I and II.

Loved MoS. Both have a lot going for them. Very different, but still are handled with enough care for me to enjoy these films more than being mere comic book movies.

Maybe this will be a good team up. I will remain optimistic, while at the same time skeptical.

Maxflier

Completely agree.

Wolf359

Batman Casting Rumors, Tyler Hoechlin will do a screen test with Cavill.

http://movies.cosmicbooknews.com/con...rmanbats-movie

dex14

A 26 year old? Geez....